Egyptian Sickle Sword?

[Spa_geh_tea]

First of all......OP compared to what? Its ridiculously short, and last time i checked polearms and twohanders have weapons that are equaly fast three times the length and do on average 10 points of damage more......so piss off

also this is the sword i was thinking of, which is perfectly capable of a nasty thrust using the polearm thrust animation.

I believe there were many variations of the Kopesh sword:
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Also I think there might be a model out there already:
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[Huey Newton]

I think its a good idea as long as the model doesn't have the same ghost reach problem the rest of the curved weapons do in this game. Otherwise that 70 length could actually be 75ish without people evne knowing. And with that speed and damage, a masterwork one would become the next trendy weapon

[zagibu]

This thread is worthless without a model and textures.

[MountedRhader]

This thread is worthless without a model and textures.

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[Chaos]

Sounds like a shorter, faster, spammier spammitar. Won't be too much of a problem overall methinks if the weapon is iinternally balanced in the 1h section. And model looks so damn cool, I can't not support this

[Armbrust_Schtze]

lol that thing would be pretty OP ...and guys dont forget: you need a model to implement it ;)

u cant just demand from the devs to model knew swords for you, they have enough to do with balancing n stuff ya knoow?

[Armbrust_Schtze]

oh there is a model posted already sorry im little..umm lets say 'drunk'. well the model isnt that good what do you guys think?

[Erathsmus]

+1 I enjoy variety in the game, and like to see unique content. Most low length 1hander swords do not have any balancing problems, so I see no harm done from implementing it.

A quick question as well, would this weapon have an X feature?

[Huey Newton]

ya'know just a thought, but wouldnt it make sense for this particular sword to do cut damage on the thrust. The tip obv isn't designed to penetrate anything, and I think the stab would deal cut damage more than pertruding damage. Though I may be wrong

[Diomedes]

I'd be up for Huey's suggestion.  It would certainly relegate the weapon to anti-light armour tactics but it'd be pretty good for its niche.  Also, DashingRogue, nice model 

lol that thing would be pretty OP ...and guys dont forget: you need a model to implement it ;)

u cant just demand from the devs to model knew swords for you, they have enough to do with balancing n stuff ya knoow?

Stop being useless.  If you're going to claim that something is OP you need to give a solid argument for it - not an emoticon.  The weapon would be weak against armour, not very practical from horseback, and would not have invisible reach.  I don't see why it would be OP.

Question for the thread:  If the price were significantly increased (10k?) could the weapon be made into a feasible 0 slot weapon?  This would 1) make it the primary archer off-hand weapon 2) provide a much-needed gold sink for bowmen 3) give archers a more practical off-hand weapon while still keeping them vulnerable to cav/armoured folks.

[Erathsmus]

Diomedes "Stop being useless."

Best thing I heard all day. +1 4u

But yah, main two questions I want to see answered. Will it have an x function? (Diomedes)-How many slots will it use?

[Rhygar666]

Question for the thread:  If the price were significantly increased (10k?) could the weapon be made into a feasible 0 slot weapon?  This would 1) make it the primary archer off-hand weapon 2) provide a much-needed gold sink for bowmen 3) give archers a more practical off-hand weapon while still keeping them vulnerable to cav/armoured folks.

luuulz
as 0 slot

with these stats:

100 speed
77 length
30 cut
21 pierce

and your telling others to stop being useless? its op so fucking op i wont discuss it with you.

[Diomedes]

luuulz
as 0 slot

with these stats:

100 speed
77 length
30 cut
21 pierce

and your telling others to stop being useless? its op so fucking op i wont discuss it with you.

Thanks for the argument.  Here's my devil's advocate:

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The problem: Archers currently make a lot of money.  Not just more than other classes, generally, but lots more.  This is not true of every archer, of course, but it's a common thing for people to retire from archery a couple hundred thousand gold richer.  Either we a) take money from them b) make them pay more money for what they already have or c) allow archers the same freedom as they have already while giving them more opportunity to spend their money.  Option (c) seems the best choice, and an expensive 0 slot weapon would perform (c) quite well.

In response to claims that the weapon is OP: The weapon is not prima facie overpowered.  (A) With no non-cutting damage the Sickle Sword would rarely be a serious threat to plate users.  (B) As a short weapon it would not be very effective from horseback.  (C) Since the sword is 77 length, rather than 80+, it would be shorter than almost all other close-combat weapons.  This means the bowmen would have to rely on either their talent at blocking or use their speed to the fullest effect for the weapon to be practical.  Forcing players to use their talent in order for a weapon to be practical seems like a reasonable criterion for calling a weapon balanced. 

As I said I'm playing devil's advocate here.  I'm new to slot mechanics, as I mostly play with a simple 1h+shield build, so I'm open to all non-useless discussions on the issue of the ESS being a 0 slot weapon.

[Rhygar666]

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i dont quote your whole post cuz its just pointless.
well, compare it to the other 0slot items you get about 18-21 damage, blunt or cut doesnt matter, you want another 0slot weapon with about 30 cut, thats about 8-10 damage more and dont call it op, then you look at the other 0 slot weapons lenght, its a long dagger and hammer with an maximum of 55 reach and you want a weapon with 77 and dont call i op. you can talk it as good as you want its still fucking op and wont be implented like this if you want it as 0 slot weapon, then reduce the stats you want dramatically like:

96 Speed
70 Length
20 Cut
18 Pierce

or something like this. and even then its OP Compared to other 0 Slot weapons, just forget that 0slot thing, it fucks this weapon up anyway...
and we dont need an OP archer weapon, the slot system is there so archer cant equip a flamberge and wreak havoc, if you want meelee you gotta take less arrows or a weaker bow.

[MountedRhader]

This weapon is large enough to be considered a 1 slot weapon. The average kopesh was 20 to 24 inches, and is equal or just a few inches away from the size of an average medieval shortsword, which takes up 1 slot in itself.