Why things should not be discussed on IRC

[Gorath]

Quick goonlings, to the forums!  visitors can't see pics , please register or login


Look at you all viewing the topic.  If only ya'll could organize like this when it mattered, like in-game (and buy some skill).

[Olwen]

well, evidence is evidence, give an evidence and i'll believe you

atm ecko gave his and he didn't betray his contracts during the last strategus, so i have no reason to doubt about what he quoted, just stating facts

if you have another evidence proving that you weren't going against uif it'd be nice too

[gallemore]

Phantom still loves Ecko's pee pee in his mouth, I do believe what happened on that IRC was a complete facial. I know I always enjoy being showered with a hot load. Phantom looked like he did too.

[arab]

Nothing edited sir.

heh

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Session Start: Sun Jun 19 11:57:26 2011
Session Ident: Ecko_
[11:57] Session Ident: Ecko_ (QuakeNet, PhantomZero) ([email protected])
[11:57] <Ecko_> hey man i dunno what happened...but you do know that it was a vote, i wasn't the one who made the call
01[11:57] <PhantomZero> i was really confused too
01[11:58] <PhantomZero> you kind of made it look like it was only the hosperglers who would vote no and you could convince them to make it yes and unanimous.
01[11:58] <PhantomZero> plus the lack of communication leading up to the meeting kind of kept us in the dark
[11:58] <Ecko_> id like to come into ts and talk about it if you got the time
[11:58] <Ecko_> or if you want to
01[11:59] <PhantomZero> im actually making lunch right now
01[11:59] <PhantomZero> why did you have canary talk first anyways
01[11:59] <PhantomZero> i didnt even understand what he was trying to say other than "no we aren't going to help you guys"
[11:59] <Ecko_> you guys left before we even finished, just because we said we didnt want to ally didnt mean didnt want to do trading
01[11:59] <PhantomZero> fuck trading
[12:00] <Ecko_> merc battles we also something we were going to discuss
01[12:00] <PhantomZero> it was discussed
01[12:00] <PhantomZero> you said you werent going to help us in our wars
01[12:00] <PhantomZero> by mercing for us
[12:01] <Ecko_> we were going to go off each battle and decide if we could help or not
[12:01] <Ecko_> ask canary
[12:01] <Ecko_> ask anyone
01[12:01] <PhantomZero> what a dumb idea
01[12:01] <PhantomZero> thats not how it works
01[12:01] <PhantomZero> do you want LLJK to go off each battle
01[12:01] <PhantomZero> and decide if we could help or not?
01[12:02] <PhantomZero> we spent months trying to get LLJK members to even agree to join up for Northern Empire battles
01[12:02] <PhantomZero> and then we get pulled into vent and slapped in the face
[12:02] <Ecko_> you left before we could finish, i really didnt want it to be like that
01[12:03] <PhantomZero> what exactly did you want us to do
01[12:03] <PhantomZero> sit there and take it or something?
01[12:03] <PhantomZero> listening to some boring dummy using too many words to describe how we were going to get fucked
[12:03] <Ecko_> get fucked?
[12:04] <Ecko_> how was saying we arn't going to ally someone totally fucking you? we didnt declare war
[12:04] <Ecko_> we didnt go around parading saying lljk, fee game to the community
[12:04] <Ecko_> free*
[12:04] <Ecko_> we wanted to talk and figure out a way to work together, but let you do your think, something you clearly reminded everyone that would be something you wanted to do
01[12:04] <PhantomZero> well it sounded like you wanted all the benefits of having us in our clan
01[12:04] <PhantomZero> without actually helping us out at all
[12:05] <Ecko_> you got that in less than 1 minute?
01[12:05] <PhantomZero> canary said a lot of words
[12:05] <Ecko_> by hearing the words, we arn't going to ally, we arn't going to join your wars you shut down from there and left
01[12:05] <PhantomZero> exactly
01[12:05] <PhantomZero> what else is there to talk about?
[12:06] <Ecko_> trading, something your gonna need reguardless...merc agreements, defensive pacts
01[12:06] <PhantomZero> defensive pact
01[12:06] <PhantomZero> you are on the other side of the  world
[12:06] <Ecko_> you asked, those are things to talk about
[12:07] <Ecko_> we had all the leaders together, for the first time
01[12:07] <PhantomZero> yes, all of those things would benefit the northern empire
[12:07] <Ecko_> to talk about solutions
[12:07] <Ecko_> false
[12:07] <Ecko_> you guys just bailed
01[12:07] <PhantomZero> you wouldnt support us in any wars
01[12:07] <PhantomZero> whats the point of a defensive pact
01[12:07] <PhantomZero> or merc agreements
[12:07] <Ecko_> [11:05] <Ecko_> by hearing the words, we arn't going to ally, we arn't going to join your wars you shut down from there and left
[12:08] <Ecko_> there are ways of helping without declaring official alliance or joining a war against someone
01[12:08] <PhantomZero> we dont care about an official alliance
[12:08] <Ecko_> apparently you do
01[12:08] <PhantomZero> but not helping us and by reviewing battles on a case by case basis
01[12:08] <PhantomZero> is something we cannot support
[12:09] <Ecko_> then thats your problem....go luck finding someone else in game who does it differently
[12:09] <Ecko_> good*
01[12:09] <PhantomZero> if you are going to review your agreements in trade/mercing/defensive pact on a case by case basis, we can't trust you
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> of course nobody does it differently
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> but nobody says that to your face
[12:10] <Ecko_> there were 6 people who represented everyone else, there to talk about solutions, ways to help you and figure out a way so everyone could benifit the way they wanted
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> ways to help us
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> by not mercing
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> not supporting us in wars
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> and only through trade?
[12:11] <Ecko_> i dunno...talks didnt get that far did they?
[12:11] <Ecko_> the only thing that was said and is official is that we wern't going to ally, we wern't going to join your wars
[12:11] <Ecko_> kinda like what we did with drz...they liked the deal
[12:11] <Ecko_> they got to do their thing and get a defense agreement
[12:11] <Ecko_> be never joined their wars
[12:12] <Ecko_> never allied
[12:12] <Ecko_> WOW look at that, a way everyone benifited
01[12:12] <PhantomZero> but it was never tested
[12:12] <Ecko_> and it wasnt a secret
[12:12] <Ecko_> everyone in the game knew about it
[12:12] <Ecko_> yes
[12:12] <Ecko_> yes it was
[12:12] <Ecko_> many times
01[12:12] <PhantomZero> how so
[12:13] <Ecko_> when drz was attacked, the northern republic was obligated to show up and defend if it was during NA time zones, and DRZ was obligated to show up during EU time zones to defend us. We never exchanged gear, never wared people together, or allied, or did anythng else
[12:13] <Ecko_> the republic was never atacked
[12:13] <Ecko_> DRZ was and we showed up
[12:14] <Ecko_> people thought we were allied, drz made it clear and so did i that we were not taking offensive manuevers together
01[12:14] <PhantomZero> so you just show up whenever someone comes and attacks land already owned by DRZ?
[12:14] <Ecko_> no matter who
01[12:14] <PhantomZero> thats joining a war
[12:14] <Ecko_> THAT is something we could have done
[12:14] <Ecko_> false
[12:14] <Ecko_> never took an offensive
01[12:14] <PhantomZero> what do you mean false
[12:14] <Ecko_> never provided gear
01[12:14] <PhantomZero> so what
01[12:15] <PhantomZero> wars arent always aggressive wars
[12:15] <Ecko_> thats something we could have done for you, and could have explained but you guys fuckin left man
01[12:15] <PhantomZero> because its dumb doublespeak
[12:15] <Ecko_> are you on the offensive or defensive?
[12:15] <Ecko_> what if UIF comes to take you out
[12:16] <Ecko_> hell what if the mercs magically had hundreds of players
01[12:16] <PhantomZero> then they will have fun playing at 150 ping at awkward times
[12:16] <Ecko_> and moved towards you or anyone
01[12:16] <PhantomZero> all of our wars have been defensive
01[12:17] <PhantomZero> shogunate attacked us, nordmen attacked us, brd attacked us
01[12:17] <PhantomZero> we've only attacked neutral villages and reclaiming battles
[12:17] <Ecko_> you guys burnt the bridge, not us. We were there to talk, we didnt think that becoming allies was a good solution for anyone. You stated that you didnt want to become part of the alliance and wanted to remain individual, but would try hard to make it work.
[12:17] <Ecko_> As far as i'm concerned, we were coming with a solution that would make everyone mutually happy.
01[12:18] <PhantomZero> we just felt blindsided by what occured
[12:18] <Ecko_> and i'm sorry, but who were the ones coming to me saying lets get the ball moving, lets make things official? when i constantly said i'm not doing anything with strategus right now...lets give people time to think it over
01[12:19] <PhantomZero> you came to us to start it
[12:19] <Ecko_> False, gaga the night before came into my vent
[12:19] <Ecko_> said lets have a meeting tomorrow
01[12:19] <PhantomZero> only because goretooth came to us about it
[12:19] <Ecko_> [11:19] <PhantomZero> you came to us to start it
01[12:19] <PhantomZero> okay fine
[12:19] <Ecko_> I am not goretooth
01[12:19] <PhantomZero> ATS came to us to start it
[12:20] <Ecko_> and what did goretooth say?
01[12:20] <PhantomZero> that we should ally long enough to rush the merc territories in order to prevent the UIF from retaliating against either one of us
[12:20] <Ecko_> gaga had come to me numerous times phantom
[12:21] <Ecko_> AGAIN, thats the plan gaga presented to us.
01[12:21] <PhantomZero> its a good plan
01[12:21] <PhantomZero> but if you guys wont support us in any wars
01[12:21] <PhantomZero> its not going to work
[12:21] <Ecko_> im not debating if it is or isnt
01[12:21] <PhantomZero> so
[12:22] <Ecko_> phantom man....you know damn well that your being stubborn here...it was a misunderstanding yesterday and your hooking onto weak reasons to be angry
01[12:22] <PhantomZero> you werent the one insulted and lied to
[12:22] <Ecko_> your not stupid...you know what i'm saying is making sense...and you know damn well that the meeting didnt last long enough for anything really to be discussed...Even you were surprised when gaga left
[12:22] <Ecko_> name one lie. You were just surprised.
01[12:23] <PhantomZero> there wasnt anything to discuss
01[12:23] <PhantomZero> if you arent going to help us out, then there isn't any point in trading
01[12:23] <PhantomZero> if we become reliant on ats trade and you suddenly decide that it is no longer in your best interested
[12:23] <Ecko_> Guess we live in a world of black and white....nothing else to talk about then. Your lunch is probably getting cold.
01[12:23] <PhantomZero> we get fucked
01[12:23] <PhantomZero> its a cold lunch anyways
01[12:24] <PhantomZero> a defensive war is still a war
[12:24] <Ecko_> ATS is the 2nd smallest guild in the empire....all I do man is try and get things going. For you to put all of this on me is retarded. Especially when there were 5 other people who wanted to discuss things.
[12:25] <Ecko_> [11:22] <Ecko_> phantom man....you know damn well that your being stubborn here...it was a misunderstanding yesterday and your hooking onto weak reasons to be angry
01[12:25] <PhantomZero> canary said you guys werent intersted
[12:25] <Ecko_> Wouldn't have been nice if you asked everyone yourself...oh wait you left before you could.
01[12:25] <PhantomZero> all them hurf derfin run away train goons
01[12:26] <PhantomZero> uncontrollable goon horde who knows what shenanigans they gonna get themselves into
01[12:26] <PhantomZero> you made it sound like you guys already had your vote
01[12:26] <PhantomZero> and it was a done deal
01[12:26] <PhantomZero> you werent going to be able to help us
01[12:27] <PhantomZero> but were willing to maintain trade and defensive pacts
01[12:27] <PhantomZero> y/n?
01[12:37] <PhantomZero> well whatever, defensive pacts and trade aren't in our best interests, a little forewarning would have been nice or a little more notice maybe. I thought we were just being called in there to hear the verdict regarding the thing we spent months trying to set up. It was no, so we left.
01[12:46] <PhantomZero> we'll talk later when im not hungry
01[12:50] <PhantomZero> haha
01[12:50] <PhantomZero> classy
01[12:50] <PhantomZero> well I guess that ends that
01[12:50] <PhantomZero> in the words of lady gaga

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[10:57] <Ecko_> hey man i dunno what happened...but you do know that it was a vote, i wasn't the one who made the call
[10:58] <PhantomZero> i was really confused too
[10:58] <PhantomZero> you kind of made it look like it was only the hosperglers who would vote no and you could convince them to make it yes and unanimous.
[10:58] <PhantomZero> plus the lack of communication leading up to the meeting kind of kept us in the dark
[10:59] <Ecko_> id like to come into ts and talk about it if you got the time
[10:59] <Ecko_> or if you want to
[10:59] <PhantomZero> im actually making lunch right now
[10:59] <PhantomZero> why did you have canary talk first anyways
[11:00] <PhantomZero> i didnt even understand what he was trying to say other than "no we aren't going to help you guys"
[11:00] <Ecko_> you guys left before we even finished, just because we said we didnt want to ally didnt mean didnt want to do trading
[11:00] <PhantomZero> fuck trading
[11:00] <Ecko_> merc battles we also something we were going to discuss
[11:00] <PhantomZero> it was discussed
[11:00] <PhantomZero> you said you werent going to help us in our wars
[11:01] <PhantomZero> by mercing for us
[11:01] <Ecko_> we were going to go off each battle and decide if we could help or not
[11:01] <Ecko_> ask canary
[11:01] <Ecko_> ask anyone
[11:01] <PhantomZero> what a dumb idea
[11:01] <PhantomZero> thats not how it works
[11:02] <PhantomZero> do you want LLJK to go off each battle
[11:02] <PhantomZero> and decide if we could help or not?
[11:02] <PhantomZero> we spent months trying to get LLJK members to even agree to join up for Northern Empire battles
[11:03] <PhantomZero> and then we get pulled into vent and slapped in the face
[11:03] <Ecko_> you left before we could finish, i really didnt want it to be like that
[11:03] <PhantomZero> what exactly did you want us to do
[11:03] <PhantomZero> sit there and take it or something?
[11:04] <PhantomZero> listening to some boring dummy using too many words to describe how we were going to get fucked
[11:04] <Ecko_> get fucked?
[11:04] <Ecko_> how was saying we arn't going to ally someone totally fucking you? we didnt declare war
[11:04] <Ecko_> we didnt go around parading saying lljk, fee game to the community
[11:04] <Ecko_> free*
[11:05] <Ecko_> we wanted to talk and figure out a way to work together, but let you do your think, something you clearly reminded everyone that would be something you wanted to do
[11:05] <PhantomZero> well it sounded like you wanted all the benefits of having us in our clan
[11:05] <PhantomZero> without actually helping us out at all
[11:05] <Ecko_> you got that in less than 1 minute?
[11:05] <PhantomZero> canary said a lot of words
[11:05] <Ecko_> by hearing the words, we arn't going to ally, we arn't going to join your wars you shut down from there and left
[11:06] <PhantomZero> exactly
[11:06] <PhantomZero> what else is there to talk about?
[11:06] <Ecko_> trading, something your gonna need reguardless...merc agreements, defensive pacts
[11:06] <PhantomZero> defensive pact
[11:06] <PhantomZero> you are on the other side of the  world
[11:07] <Ecko_> you asked, those are things to talk about
[11:07] <Ecko_> we had all the leaders together, for the first time
[11:07] <PhantomZero> yes, all of those things would benefit the northern empire
[11:07] <Ecko_> to talk about solutions
[11:07] <Ecko_> you guys just bailed
[11:07] <Ecko_> false
[11:07] <PhantomZero> you wouldnt support us in any wars
[11:07] <PhantomZero> whats the point of a defensive pact
[11:08] <PhantomZero> or merc agreements
[11:08] <Ecko_> [11:05] <Ecko_> by hearing the words, we arn't going to ally, we arn't going to join your wars you shut down from there and left
[11:08] <Ecko_> there are ways of helping without declaring official alliance or joining a war against someone
[11:08] <PhantomZero> we dont care about an official alliance
[11:09] <Ecko_> apparently you do
[11:09] <PhantomZero> but not helping us and by reviewing battles on a case by case basis
[11:09] <PhantomZero> is something we cannot support
[11:09] <Ecko_> then thats your problem....go luck finding someone else in game who does it differently
[11:09] <Ecko_> good*
[11:10] <PhantomZero> if you are going to review your agreements in trade/mercing/defensive pact on a case by case basis, we can't trust you
[11:10] <PhantomZero> of course nobody does it differently
[11:10] <Ecko_> there were 6 people who represented everyone else, there to talk about solutions, ways to help you and figure out a way so everyone could benifit the way they wanted
[11:10] <PhantomZero> but nobody says that to your face
[11:11] <PhantomZero> ways to help us
[11:11] <PhantomZero> by not mercing
[11:11] <PhantomZero> not supporting us in wars
[11:11] <PhantomZero> and only through trade?
[11:11] <Ecko_> i dunno...talks didnt get that far did they?
[11:11] <Ecko_> the only thing that was said and is official is that we wern't going to ally, we wern't going to join your wars
[11:12] <Ecko_> kinda like what we did with drz...they liked the deal
[11:12] <Ecko_> they got to do their thing and get a defense agreement
[11:12] <Ecko_> be never joined their wars
[11:12] <Ecko_> never allied
[11:12] <Ecko_> WOW look at that, a way everyone benifited
[11:12] <Ecko_> and it wasnt a secret
[11:12] <PhantomZero> but it was never tested
[11:12] <Ecko_> everyone in the game knew about it
[11:12] <Ecko_> yes
[11:12] <Ecko_> yes it was
[11:12] <Ecko_> many times
[11:13] <PhantomZero> how so
[11:14] <Ecko_> when drz was attacked, the northern republic was obligated to show up and defend if it was during NA time zones, and DRZ was obligated to show up during EU time zones to defend us. We never exchanged gear, never wared people together, or allied, or did anythng else
[11:14] <Ecko_> the republic was never atacked
[11:14] <Ecko_> DRZ was and we showed up
[11:14] <Ecko_> people thought we were allied, drz made it clear and so did i that we were not taking offensive manuevers together
[11:15] <Ecko_> THAT is something we could have done
[11:15] <PhantomZero> so you just show up whenever someone comes and attacks land already owned by DRZ?
[11:15] <Ecko_> no matter who
[11:15] <PhantomZero> thats joining a war
[11:15] <Ecko_> false
[11:15] <Ecko_> never took an offensive
[11:15] <Ecko_> never provided gear
[11:15] <PhantomZero> what do you mean false
[11:15] <PhantomZero> so what
[11:15] <Ecko_> thats something we could have done for you, and could have explained but you guys fuckin left man
[11:15] <PhantomZero> wars arent always aggressive wars
[11:15] <Ecko_> what if UIF comes to take you out
[11:16] <PhantomZero> because its dumb doublespeak
[11:16] <Ecko_> are you on the offensive or defensive?
[11:16] <Ecko_> hell what if the mercs magically had hundreds of players
[11:16] <PhantomZero> then they will have fun playing at 150 ping at awkward times
[11:16] <Ecko_> and moved towards you or anyone
[11:17] <PhantomZero> all of our wars have been defensive
[11:17] <PhantomZero> shogunate attacked us, nordmen attacked us, brd attacked us
[11:17] <PhantomZero> we've only attacked neutral villages and reclaiming battles
[11:17] <Ecko_> you guys burnt the bridge, not us. We were there to talk, we didnt think that becoming allies was a good solution for anyone. You stated that you didnt want to become part of the alliance and wanted to remain individual, but would try hard to make it work.
[11:18] <Ecko_> As far as i'm concerned, we were coming with a solution that would make everyone mutually happy.
[11:18] <PhantomZero> we just felt blindsided by what occured
[11:19] <Ecko_> and i'm sorry, but who were the ones coming to me saying lets get the ball moving, lets make things official? when i constantly said i'm not doing anything with strategus right now...lets give people time to think it over
[11:19] <PhantomZero> you came to us to start it
[11:19] <Ecko_> False, gaga the night before came into my vent
[11:19] <Ecko_> said lets have a meeting tomorrow
[11:19] <PhantomZero> only because goretooth came to us about it
[11:20] <Ecko_> [11:19] <PhantomZero> you came to us to start it
[11:20] <Ecko_> I am not goretooth
[11:20] <PhantomZero> okay fine
[11:20] <PhantomZero> ATS came to us to start it
[11:20] <Ecko_> and what did goretooth say?
[11:20] <Ecko_> gaga had come to me numerous times phantom
[11:20] <PhantomZero> that we should ally long enough to rush the merc territories in order to prevent the UIF from retaliating against either one of us
[11:21] <Ecko_> AGAIN, thats the plan gaga presented to us.
[11:21] <PhantomZero> its a good plan
[11:21] <PhantomZero> but if you guys wont support us in any wars
[11:21] <Ecko_> im not debating if it is or isnt
[11:21] <PhantomZero> its not going to work
[11:21] <PhantomZero> so
[11:22] <Ecko_> phantom man....you know damn well that your being stubborn here...it was a misunderstanding yesterday and your hooking onto weak reasons to be angry
[11:22] <PhantomZero> you werent the one insulted and lied to
[11:23] <Ecko_> your not stupid...you know what i'm saying is making sense...and you know damn well that the meeting didnt last long enough for anything really to be discussed...Even you were surprised when gaga left
[11:23] <Ecko_> name one lie. You were just surprised.
[11:23] <PhantomZero> there wasnt anything to discuss
[11:23] <PhantomZero> if you arent going to help us out, then there isn't any point in trading
[11:23] <PhantomZero> if we become reliant on ats trade and you suddenly decide that it is no longer in your best interested
[11:23] <Ecko_> Guess we live in a world of black and white....nothing else to talk about then. Your lunch is probably getting cold.
[11:23] <PhantomZero> we get fucked
[11:24] <PhantomZero> its a cold lunch anyways
[11:24] <PhantomZero> a defensive war is still a war
[11:25] <Ecko_> ATS is the 2nd smallest guild in the empire....all I do man is try and get things going. For you to put all of this on me is retarded. Especially when there were 5 other people who wanted to discuss things.
[11:25] <Ecko_> [11:22] <Ecko_> phantom man....you know damn well that your being stubborn here...it was a misunderstanding yesterday and your hooking onto weak reasons to be angry
[11:25] <PhantomZero> canary said you guys werent intersted
[11:26] <Ecko_> Wouldn't have been nice if you asked everyone yourself...oh wait you left before you could.
[11:26] <PhantomZero> all them hurf derfin run away train goons
[11:26] <PhantomZero> uncontrollable goon horde who knows what shenanigans they gonna get themselves into
[11:27] <PhantomZero> but were willing to maintain trade and defensive pacts
[11:27] <PhantomZero> y/n?

[Bjord]

With all these clan feuds, Strategus is bound to be a lot more interesting. 

[Ecko]

heh

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Session Start: Sun Jun 19 11:57:26 2011
Session Ident: Ecko_
[11:57] Session Ident: Ecko_ (QuakeNet, PhantomZero) ([email protected])
[11:57] <Ecko_> hey man i dunno what happened...but you do know that it was a vote, i wasn't the one who made the call
01[11:57] <PhantomZero> i was really confused too
01[11:58] <PhantomZero> you kind of made it look like it was only the hosperglers who would vote no and you could convince them to make it yes and unanimous.
01[11:58] <PhantomZero> plus the lack of communication leading up to the meeting kind of kept us in the dark
[11:58] <Ecko_> id like to come into ts and talk about it if you got the time
[11:58] <Ecko_> or if you want to
01[11:59] <PhantomZero> im actually making lunch right now
01[11:59] <PhantomZero> why did you have canary talk first anyways
01[11:59] <PhantomZero> i didnt even understand what he was trying to say other than "no we aren't going to help you guys"
[11:59] <Ecko_> you guys left before we even finished, just because we said we didnt want to ally didnt mean didnt want to do trading
01[11:59] <PhantomZero> fuck trading
[12:00] <Ecko_> merc battles we also something we were going to discuss
01[12:00] <PhantomZero> it was discussed
01[12:00] <PhantomZero> you said you werent going to help us in our wars
01[12:00] <PhantomZero> by mercing for us
[12:01] <Ecko_> we were going to go off each battle and decide if we could help or not
[12:01] <Ecko_> ask canary
[12:01] <Ecko_> ask anyone
01[12:01] <PhantomZero> what a dumb idea
01[12:01] <PhantomZero> thats not how it works
01[12:01] <PhantomZero> do you want LLJK to go off each battle
01[12:01] <PhantomZero> and decide if we could help or not?
01[12:02] <PhantomZero> we spent months trying to get LLJK members to even agree to join up for Northern Empire battles
01[12:02] <PhantomZero> and then we get pulled into vent and slapped in the face
[12:02] <Ecko_> you left before we could finish, i really didnt want it to be like that
01[12:03] <PhantomZero> what exactly did you want us to do
01[12:03] <PhantomZero> sit there and take it or something?
01[12:03] <PhantomZero> listening to some boring dummy using too many words to describe how we were going to get fucked
[12:03] <Ecko_> get fucked?
[12:04] <Ecko_> how was saying we arn't going to ally someone totally fucking you? we didnt declare war
[12:04] <Ecko_> we didnt go around parading saying lljk, fee game to the community
[12:04] <Ecko_> free*
[12:04] <Ecko_> we wanted to talk and figure out a way to work together, but let you do your think, something you clearly reminded everyone that would be something you wanted to do
01[12:04] <PhantomZero> well it sounded like you wanted all the benefits of having us in our clan
01[12:04] <PhantomZero> without actually helping us out at all
[12:05] <Ecko_> you got that in less than 1 minute?
01[12:05] <PhantomZero> canary said a lot of words
[12:05] <Ecko_> by hearing the words, we arn't going to ally, we arn't going to join your wars you shut down from there and left
01[12:05] <PhantomZero> exactly
01[12:05] <PhantomZero> what else is there to talk about?
[12:06] <Ecko_> trading, something your gonna need reguardless...merc agreements, defensive pacts
01[12:06] <PhantomZero> defensive pact
01[12:06] <PhantomZero> you are on the other side of the  world
[12:06] <Ecko_> you asked, those are things to talk about
[12:07] <Ecko_> we had all the leaders together, for the first time
01[12:07] <PhantomZero> yes, all of those things would benefit the northern empire
[12:07] <Ecko_> to talk about solutions
[12:07] <Ecko_> false
[12:07] <Ecko_> you guys just bailed
01[12:07] <PhantomZero> you wouldnt support us in any wars
01[12:07] <PhantomZero> whats the point of a defensive pact
01[12:07] <PhantomZero> or merc agreements
[12:07] <Ecko_> [11:05] <Ecko_> by hearing the words, we arn't going to ally, we arn't going to join your wars you shut down from there and left
[12:08] <Ecko_> there are ways of helping without declaring official alliance or joining a war against someone
01[12:08] <PhantomZero> we dont care about an official alliance
[12:08] <Ecko_> apparently you do
01[12:08] <PhantomZero> but not helping us and by reviewing battles on a case by case basis
01[12:08] <PhantomZero> is something we cannot support
[12:09] <Ecko_> then thats your problem....go luck finding someone else in game who does it differently
[12:09] <Ecko_> good*
01[12:09] <PhantomZero> if you are going to review your agreements in trade/mercing/defensive pact on a case by case basis, we can't trust you
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> of course nobody does it differently
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> but nobody says that to your face
[12:10] <Ecko_> there were 6 people who represented everyone else, there to talk about solutions, ways to help you and figure out a way so everyone could benifit the way they wanted
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> ways to help us
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> by not mercing
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> not supporting us in wars
01[12:10] <PhantomZero> and only through trade?
[12:11] <Ecko_> i dunno...talks didnt get that far did they?
[12:11] <Ecko_> the only thing that was said and is official is that we wern't going to ally, we wern't going to join your wars
[12:11] <Ecko_> kinda like what we did with drz...they liked the deal
[12:11] <Ecko_> they got to do their thing and get a defense agreement
[12:11] <Ecko_> be never joined their wars
[12:12] <Ecko_> never allied
[12:12] <Ecko_> WOW look at that, a way everyone benifited
01[12:12] <PhantomZero> but it was never tested
[12:12] <Ecko_> and it wasnt a secret
[12:12] <Ecko_> everyone in the game knew about it
[12:12] <Ecko_> yes
[12:12] <Ecko_> yes it was
[12:12] <Ecko_> many times
01[12:12] <PhantomZero> how so
[12:13] <Ecko_> when drz was attacked, the northern republic was obligated to show up and defend if it was during NA time zones, and DRZ was obligated to show up during EU time zones to defend us. We never exchanged gear, never wared people together, or allied, or did anythng else
[12:13] <Ecko_> the republic was never atacked
[12:13] <Ecko_> DRZ was and we showed up
[12:14] <Ecko_> people thought we were allied, drz made it clear and so did i that we were not taking offensive manuevers together
01[12:14] <PhantomZero> so you just show up whenever someone comes and attacks land already owned by DRZ?
[12:14] <Ecko_> no matter who
01[12:14] <PhantomZero> thats joining a war
[12:14] <Ecko_> THAT is something we could have done
[12:14] <Ecko_> false
[12:14] <Ecko_> never took an offensive
01[12:14] <PhantomZero> what do you mean false
[12:14] <Ecko_> never provided gear
01[12:14] <PhantomZero> so what
01[12:15] <PhantomZero> wars arent always aggressive wars
[12:15] <Ecko_> thats something we could have done for you, and could have explained but you guys fuckin left man
01[12:15] <PhantomZero> because its dumb doublespeak
[12:15] <Ecko_> are you on the offensive or defensive?
[12:15] <Ecko_> what if UIF comes to take you out
[12:16] <Ecko_> hell what if the mercs magically had hundreds of players
01[12:16] <PhantomZero> then they will have fun playing at 150 ping at awkward times
[12:16] <Ecko_> and moved towards you or anyone
01[12:16] <PhantomZero> all of our wars have been defensive
01[12:17] <PhantomZero> shogunate attacked us, nordmen attacked us, brd attacked us
01[12:17] <PhantomZero> we've only attacked neutral villages and reclaiming battles
[12:17] <Ecko_> you guys burnt the bridge, not us. We were there to talk, we didnt think that becoming allies was a good solution for anyone. You stated that you didnt want to become part of the alliance and wanted to remain individual, but would try hard to make it work.
[12:17] <Ecko_> As far as i'm concerned, we were coming with a solution that would make everyone mutually happy.
01[12:18] <PhantomZero> we just felt blindsided by what occured
[12:18] <Ecko_> and i'm sorry, but who were the ones coming to me saying lets get the ball moving, lets make things official? when i constantly said i'm not doing anything with strategus right now...lets give people time to think it over
01[12:19] <PhantomZero> you came to us to start it
[12:19] <Ecko_> False, gaga the night before came into my vent
[12:19] <Ecko_> said lets have a meeting tomorrow
01[12:19] <PhantomZero> only because goretooth came to us about it
[12:19] <Ecko_> [11:19] <PhantomZero> you came to us to start it
01[12:19] <PhantomZero> okay fine
[12:19] <Ecko_> I am not goretooth
01[12:19] <PhantomZero> ATS came to us to start it
[12:20] <Ecko_> and what did goretooth say?
01[12:20] <PhantomZero> that we should ally long enough to rush the merc territories in order to prevent the UIF from retaliating against either one of us
[12:20] <Ecko_> gaga had come to me numerous times phantom
[12:21] <Ecko_> AGAIN, thats the plan gaga presented to us.
01[12:21] <PhantomZero> its a good plan
01[12:21] <PhantomZero> but if you guys wont support us in any wars
01[12:21] <PhantomZero> its not going to work
[12:21] <Ecko_> im not debating if it is or isnt
01[12:21] <PhantomZero> so
[12:22] <Ecko_> phantom man....you know damn well that your being stubborn here...it was a misunderstanding yesterday and your hooking onto weak reasons to be angry
01[12:22] <PhantomZero> you werent the one insulted and lied to
[12:22] <Ecko_> your not stupid...you know what i'm saying is making sense...and you know damn well that the meeting didnt last long enough for anything really to be discussed...Even you were surprised when gaga left
[12:22] <Ecko_> name one lie. You were just surprised.
01[12:23] <PhantomZero> there wasnt anything to discuss
01[12:23] <PhantomZero> if you arent going to help us out, then there isn't any point in trading
01[12:23] <PhantomZero> if we become reliant on ats trade and you suddenly decide that it is no longer in your best interested
[12:23] <Ecko_> Guess we live in a world of black and white....nothing else to talk about then. Your lunch is probably getting cold.
01[12:23] <PhantomZero> we get fucked
01[12:23] <PhantomZero> its a cold lunch anyways
01[12:24] <PhantomZero> a defensive war is still a war
[12:24] <Ecko_> ATS is the 2nd smallest guild in the empire....all I do man is try and get things going. For you to put all of this on me is retarded. Especially when there were 5 other people who wanted to discuss things.
[12:25] <Ecko_> [11:22] <Ecko_> phantom man....you know damn well that your being stubborn here...it was a misunderstanding yesterday and your hooking onto weak reasons to be angry
01[12:25] <PhantomZero> canary said you guys werent intersted
[12:25] <Ecko_> Wouldn't have been nice if you asked everyone yourself...oh wait you left before you could.
01[12:25] <PhantomZero> all them hurf derfin run away train goons
01[12:26] <PhantomZero> uncontrollable goon horde who knows what shenanigans they gonna get themselves into
01[12:26] <PhantomZero> you made it sound like you guys already had your vote
01[12:26] <PhantomZero> and it was a done deal
01[12:26] <PhantomZero> you werent going to be able to help us
01[12:27] <PhantomZero> but were willing to maintain trade and defensive pacts
01[12:27] <PhantomZero> y/n?
01[12:37] <PhantomZero> well whatever, defensive pacts and trade aren't in our best interests, a little forewarning would have been nice or a little more notice maybe. I thought we were just being called in there to hear the verdict regarding the thing we spent months trying to set up. It was no, so we left.
01[12:46] <PhantomZero> we'll talk later when im not hungry
01[12:50] <PhantomZero> haha
01[12:50] <PhantomZero> classy
01[12:50] <PhantomZero> well I guess that ends that
01[12:50] <PhantomZero> in the words of lady gaga

you cut out ten lines of the actual conversation

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[10:57] <Ecko_> hey man i dunno what happened...but you do know that it was a vote, i wasn't the one who made the call
[10:58] <PhantomZero> i was really confused too
[10:58] <PhantomZero> you kind of made it look like it was only the hosperglers who would vote no and you could convince them to make it yes and unanimous.
[10:58] <PhantomZero> plus the lack of communication leading up to the meeting kind of kept us in the dark
[10:59] <Ecko_> id like to come into ts and talk about it if you got the time
[10:59] <Ecko_> or if you want to
[10:59] <PhantomZero> im actually making lunch right now
[10:59] <PhantomZero> why did you have canary talk first anyways
[11:00] <PhantomZero> i didnt even understand what he was trying to say other than "no we aren't going to help you guys"
[11:00] <Ecko_> you guys left before we even finished, just because we said we didnt want to ally didnt mean didnt want to do trading
[11:00] <PhantomZero> fuck trading
[11:00] <Ecko_> merc battles we also something we were going to discuss
[11:00] <PhantomZero> it was discussed
[11:00] <PhantomZero> you said you werent going to help us in our wars
[11:01] <PhantomZero> by mercing for us
[11:01] <Ecko_> we were going to go off each battle and decide if we could help or not
[11:01] <Ecko_> ask canary
[11:01] <Ecko_> ask anyone
[11:01] <PhantomZero> what a dumb idea
[11:01] <PhantomZero> thats not how it works
[11:02] <PhantomZero> do you want LLJK to go off each battle
[11:02] <PhantomZero> and decide if we could help or not?
[11:02] <PhantomZero> we spent months trying to get LLJK members to even agree to join up for Northern Empire battles
[11:03] <PhantomZero> and then we get pulled into vent and slapped in the face
[11:03] <Ecko_> you left before we could finish, i really didnt want it to be like that
[11:03] <PhantomZero> what exactly did you want us to do
[11:03] <PhantomZero> sit there and take it or something?
[11:04] <PhantomZero> listening to some boring dummy using too many words to describe how we were going to get fucked
[11:04] <Ecko_> get fucked?
[11:04] <Ecko_> how was saying we arn't going to ally someone totally fucking you? we didnt declare war
[11:04] <Ecko_> we didnt go around parading saying lljk, fee game to the community
[11:04] <Ecko_> free*
[11:05] <Ecko_> we wanted to talk and figure out a way to work together, but let you do your think, something you clearly reminded everyone that would be something you wanted to do
[11:05] <PhantomZero> well it sounded like you wanted all the benefits of having us in our clan
[11:05] <PhantomZero> without actually helping us out at all
[11:05] <Ecko_> you got that in less than 1 minute?
[11:05] <PhantomZero> canary said a lot of words
[11:05] <Ecko_> by hearing the words, we arn't going to ally, we arn't going to join your wars you shut down from there and left
[11:06] <PhantomZero> exactly
[11:06] <PhantomZero> what else is there to talk about?
[11:06] <Ecko_> trading, something your gonna need reguardless...merc agreements, defensive pacts
[11:06] <PhantomZero> defensive pact
[11:06] <PhantomZero> you are on the other side of the  world
[11:07] <Ecko_> you asked, those are things to talk about
[11:07] <Ecko_> we had all the leaders together, for the first time
[11:07] <PhantomZero> yes, all of those things would benefit the northern empire
[11:07] <Ecko_> to talk about solutions
[11:07] <Ecko_> you guys just bailed
[11:07] <Ecko_> false
[11:07] <PhantomZero> you wouldnt support us in any wars
[11:07] <PhantomZero> whats the point of a defensive pact
[11:08] <PhantomZero> or merc agreements
[11:08] <Ecko_> [11:05] <Ecko_> by hearing the words, we arn't going to ally, we arn't going to join your wars you shut down from there and left
[11:08] <Ecko_> there are ways of helping without declaring official alliance or joining a war against someone
[11:08] <PhantomZero> we dont care about an official alliance
[11:09] <Ecko_> apparently you do
[11:09] <PhantomZero> but not helping us and by reviewing battles on a case by case basis
[11:09] <PhantomZero> is something we cannot support
[11:09] <Ecko_> then thats your problem....go luck finding someone else in game who does it differently
[11:09] <Ecko_> good*
[11:10] <PhantomZero> if you are going to review your agreements in trade/mercing/defensive pact on a case by case basis, we can't trust you
[11:10] <PhantomZero> of course nobody does it differently
[11:10] <Ecko_> there were 6 people who represented everyone else, there to talk about solutions, ways to help you and figure out a way so everyone could benifit the way they wanted
[11:10] <PhantomZero> but nobody says that to your face
[11:11] <PhantomZero> ways to help us
[11:11] <PhantomZero> by not mercing
[11:11] <PhantomZero> not supporting us in wars
[11:11] <PhantomZero> and only through trade?
[11:11] <Ecko_> i dunno...talks didnt get that far did they?
[11:11] <Ecko_> the only thing that was said and is official is that we wern't going to ally, we wern't going to join your wars
[11:12] <Ecko_> kinda like what we did with drz...they liked the deal
[11:12] <Ecko_> they got to do their thing and get a defense agreement
[11:12] <Ecko_> be never joined their wars
[11:12] <Ecko_> never allied
[11:12] <Ecko_> WOW look at that, a way everyone benifited
[11:12] <Ecko_> and it wasnt a secret
[11:12] <PhantomZero> but it was never tested
[11:12] <Ecko_> everyone in the game knew about it
[11:12] <Ecko_> yes
[11:12] <Ecko_> yes it was
[11:12] <Ecko_> many times
[11:13] <PhantomZero> how so
[11:14] <Ecko_> when drz was attacked, the northern republic was obligated to show up and defend if it was during NA time zones, and DRZ was obligated to show up during EU time zones to defend us. We never exchanged gear, never wared people together, or allied, or did anythng else
[11:14] <Ecko_> the republic was never atacked
[11:14] <Ecko_> DRZ was and we showed up
[11:14] <Ecko_> people thought we were allied, drz made it clear and so did i that we were not taking offensive manuevers together
[11:15] <Ecko_> THAT is something we could have done
[11:15] <PhantomZero> so you just show up whenever someone comes and attacks land already owned by DRZ?
[11:15] <Ecko_> no matter who
[11:15] <PhantomZero> thats joining a war
[11:15] <Ecko_> false
[11:15] <Ecko_> never took an offensive
[11:15] <Ecko_> never provided gear
[11:15] <PhantomZero> what do you mean false
[11:15] <PhantomZero> so what
[11:15] <Ecko_> thats something we could have done for you, and could have explained but you guys fuckin left man
[11:15] <PhantomZero> wars arent always aggressive wars
[11:15] <Ecko_> what if UIF comes to take you out
[11:16] <PhantomZero> because its dumb doublespeak
[11:16] <Ecko_> are you on the offensive or defensive?
[11:16] <Ecko_> hell what if the mercs magically had hundreds of players
[11:16] <PhantomZero> then they will have fun playing at 150 ping at awkward times
[11:16] <Ecko_> and moved towards you or anyone
[11:17] <PhantomZero> all of our wars have been defensive
[11:17] <PhantomZero> shogunate attacked us, nordmen attacked us, brd attacked us
[11:17] <PhantomZero> we've only attacked neutral villages and reclaiming battles
[11:17] <Ecko_> you guys burnt the bridge, not us. We were there to talk, we didnt think that becoming allies was a good solution for anyone. You stated that you didnt want to become part of the alliance and wanted to remain individual, but would try hard to make it work.
[11:18] <Ecko_> As far as i'm concerned, we were coming with a solution that would make everyone mutually happy.
[11:18] <PhantomZero> we just felt blindsided by what occured
[11:19] <Ecko_> and i'm sorry, but who were the ones coming to me saying lets get the ball moving, lets make things official? when i constantly said i'm not doing anything with strategus right now...lets give people time to think it over
[11:19] <PhantomZero> you came to us to start it
[11:19] <Ecko_> False, gaga the night before came into my vent
[11:19] <Ecko_> said lets have a meeting tomorrow
[11:19] <PhantomZero> only because goretooth came to us about it
[11:20] <Ecko_> [11:19] <PhantomZero> you came to us to start it
[11:20] <Ecko_> I am not goretooth
[11:20] <PhantomZero> okay fine
[11:20] <PhantomZero> ATS came to us to start it
[11:20] <Ecko_> and what did goretooth say?
[11:20] <Ecko_> gaga had come to me numerous times phantom
[11:20] <PhantomZero> that we should ally long enough to rush the merc territories in order to prevent the UIF from retaliating against either one of us
[11:21] <Ecko_> AGAIN, thats the plan gaga presented to us.
[11:21] <PhantomZero> its a good plan
[11:21] <PhantomZero> but if you guys wont support us in any wars
[11:21] <Ecko_> im not debating if it is or isnt
[11:21] <PhantomZero> its not going to work
[11:21] <PhantomZero> so
[11:22] <Ecko_> phantom man....you know damn well that your being stubborn here...it was a misunderstanding yesterday and your hooking onto weak reasons to be angry
[11:22] <PhantomZero> you werent the one insulted and lied to
[11:23] <Ecko_> your not stupid...you know what i'm saying is making sense...and you know damn well that the meeting didnt last long enough for anything really to be discussed...Even you were surprised when gaga left
[11:23] <Ecko_> name one lie. You were just surprised.
[11:23] <PhantomZero> there wasnt anything to discuss
[11:23] <PhantomZero> if you arent going to help us out, then there isn't any point in trading
[11:23] <PhantomZero> if we become reliant on ats trade and you suddenly decide that it is no longer in your best interested
[11:23] <Ecko_> Guess we live in a world of black and white....nothing else to talk about then. Your lunch is probably getting cold.
[11:23] <PhantomZero> we get fucked
[11:24] <PhantomZero> its a cold lunch anyways
[11:24] <PhantomZero> a defensive war is still a war
[11:25] <Ecko_> ATS is the 2nd smallest guild in the empire....all I do man is try and get things going. For you to put all of this on me is retarded. Especially when there were 5 other people who wanted to discuss things.
[11:25] <Ecko_> [11:22] <Ecko_> phantom man....you know damn well that your being stubborn here...it was a misunderstanding yesterday and your hooking onto weak reasons to be angry
[11:25] <PhantomZero> canary said you guys werent intersted
[11:26] <Ecko_> Wouldn't have been nice if you asked everyone yourself...oh wait you left before you could.
[11:26] <PhantomZero> all them hurf derfin run away train goons
[11:26] <PhantomZero> uncontrollable goon horde who knows what shenanigans they gonna get themselves into
[11:27] <PhantomZero> but were willing to maintain trade and defensive pacts
[11:27] <PhantomZero> y/n?

All i see is 6, and those bottom ones did come after i posted this...sorry.

Look at the times.

[Peasant_Woman]

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[Gildiss]

Look at you all viewing the topic.  If only ya'll could organize like this when it mattered, like in-game (and buy some skill).

Damnit Goons! We keep losing on the battle and siege servers! That multiplier is going into a file and the lands shall be divided up amongst those with the highest multiplier digits!

Defend our Goonish Honoure~!

[Damug]

Damnit Goons! We keep losing on the battle and siege servers! That multiplier is going into a file and the lands shall be divided up amongst those with the highest multiplier digits!

Defend our Goonish Honoure~!

Fuck multipliers, we've got to defend the lowest common denominator!

[Gorath]

As if any Goon has had skill in gaming since Eve.  (Even then it was an MMO spreadsheet online where macros and number crunching accounted for 90% of combat, zerging the other 10% to make up for lack of skill in the first 90%)     Damn newmy old friends soiling the Goon name.  It is cute to watch ya'll try though and then convince yourselves you're not trying to protect egos.

[okiN]

you cut out ten lines of the actual conversation

Well, he may have lied about not editing the convo, but he doesn't seem to contradict himself on attacking Mercs being LLJK's idea originally. Also...

01[12:16] <PhantomZero> all of our wars have been defensive
01[12:17] <PhantomZero> shogunate attacked us, nordmen attacked us, brd attacked us
01[12:17] <PhantomZero> we've only attacked neutral villages and reclaiming battles

This really doesn't match my memory of the Nordmen conflict at all. Didn't you guys backstab them when they were taking a neutral castle and get beaten up for your trouble?

[Ecko]

Yea my mistake...apparently its a never ending conversation so i guess i'll keep missing the last few lines 

[Secret Agent Cow]

Oh LLJK, you naughty, naughty knights you! I still don't know what this proves though. I mean ATS and LLJK already were in a "cold war" so does this really change things? I mean I suppose you could ally with chocolate chip cookie germany and bring about some issues, but isn't strategus going to get wiped anyway? albert einstein is going to lose a lot of land and power with that.

[Sinic]

It is cute to watch ya'll try though and then convince yourselves you're not trying to protect egos.

convince yourselves you're not trying to protect egos.

egos.

Coming from you.. 'heh' 

[Gorath]

Yea my mistake...apparently its a never ending conversation so i guess i'll keep missing the last few lines 

lol, that's how 1-sided conversations work.  You say "Ok, I guess we're done then" and walk away, the one with the vagina (lljk) continues ranting after you've left as if it matters.

[12:08] <PhantomZero> hahaha
[12:08] <PhantomZero> i used to think you were a pretty respectable guy
[12:09] <PhantomZero> guess not anymore

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