Archers buffed too much

[Everkistus]

Alright, first whine thread ever from me, but I think with the arrow damage input archers are too powerful. 8 damage with bodkin arrows, wtf? I think this is how it should be IMO:

Arrows   134   
weight 3
weapon length 95
thrust damage 1,cut
max ammo 28
      
Barbed Arrows   723   
weight 3
weapon length 95
thrust damage 3,cut
max ammo 24
      
Khergit Arrows   1605   
weight 3
weapon length 95
thrust damage 1,pierce
max ammo 22
      
Bodkin Arrows   3074   
weight 3
weapon length 91
thrust damage 2,pierce
max ammo 18

This way archers could use different arrows for different targets. Peasants, grab khergit arrows! Tin can, bodkin arrows!

EDIT: Just head that arrows don't change damage type.

[Helrekkr]

Also please make it so the Warbow/Longbow + Bodkin = Siege Crossbow + Steel bolts cost (ie. ~20k).

[Punisher]

Archers were fine before yesterday's patch, yes they whined that their arrows bounced on plate but nobody wears plate anymore. This buff + archers having the lowest upkeep cost by far will only lead to the medieval counter-strike the old cRPG was. Not to mention how OP they will be in strategus sieges, now that you can't equip a shield without skill.

[Rhekimos]

Have to agree with you. Archers seem to rule supreme right now.

[ZMaNFaRLee]

oh please most archers suck (Myself included).  If you die from one of us its cause of skill.  Seriously after mid range I am practically working for the opposing team.

[Wench]

No fucking way. They got 4 more damage at most and people are flipping their shit. Archers are not OP and if you pay attention to the goddamn scoreboards, an archer is never ever at the top.

[Ashrik]

I find it hard to believe that 4 more damage puts archers on the top of the heap now.

[bruce]

Not exactly top of the heap (but counterstrike IS coming back, archer numbers are increasing again plus throwers which are the new plague), but look, archers were whining prematurely about the change. Before the buff, they weren't exactly bottom of the heap either.

The damage increase is signficant, because you have to factor in powerdraw, etc. And they leveled up, too, of course. I was using a archer pre-buff, once I got PD6 the damage really picked up and was decent. In fact, now I retired my main and repicked heirlooms are a balanced glaive and a very strong bow, going to make (another) melee archer type char, was very happy with it.

Also, the bit where the arrows are pierce - I'm very sure the total damage is still cut, from what I recall the damage type of the launcher determines the damage type.

[Beleidiger]

The  Bow Damage is still cut and they needed a bit more Power so i am fine with + Pierce Damage at the Arrows for 2 less arrows ammo!

If you see at any Time an Archer as Top Killer than you can come back and cry again OMG

[Rhekimos]

It's also worth it to note that the shields got an area nerf, so archers have that as a buff too.

The  Bow Damage is still cut and they needed a bit more Power so i am fine with + Pierce Damage at the Arrows for 2 less arrows ammo!

If you see at any Time an Archer as Top Killer than you can come back and cry again OMG

I've seen HA as top killer even before the latest buff, and after the nerf they got at 0.200.

[Everkistus]

If you see at any Time an Archer as Top Killer than you can come back and cry again OMG

I don't care for two shits who's the top killer. This is about damage and balance.

[Tristan]

Archers got twice the buff they needed. Not +2 but +4. I believe when they recieve the "real" buff, it will be ok.

[Wench]

I don't care for two shits who's the top killer. This is about damage and balance.

Yeah, fuck empiricism. We'll just have a kneejerk reaction and post a thread about it.

[Punisher]

Yeah, fuck empiricism. We'll just have a kneejerk reaction and post a thread about it.

It's not about topping scoreboards, archers are a support class, they are NOT supposed to top scoreboards in the first place. It's about a random arrow taking 3/4 of your HP or 1shoting your horse.

[Rogue_Eagle]

I think archers are about where they should be.

They got mega nerfed before, they need high WPF to match PD.

the draw speeds are still painfully slow, and most of the damage is still cut

Throwing needs a nerf far more.

to be honest I think there'd be a thread like this whatever buff the archer got just because some knight is upset his horse keeps getting killed or someone can't afford a shield.