Dagger Troubles

[Erathsmus]

I hear alot of players being sad about how little dmg daggers do, especially when they are trying to be some wannabe assassin. Would be cool if either a new weapon was released that cannot block, but does decent damage, short range. Or if the dagger type weapons/knifes recieved a larger dmg bonus from attacking a players back. (Although this might be annoying if a player can circle quickly) Just some food for thought.

[Peasant_Woman]

Double damage when attacking a players back with weapons which cannot block, a little ps and go for the head too and the damage gets high. Actually I think this would be all that is needed to make it effective to try to play an assassin or even just carry a knife incase you spot an unaware player.

[Digglez]

they should add in agi requirement based weapons like whips, daggers, boomerangs, bolos, etc

[MountedRhader]

I actually had a build for this for about 3 months.
Love daggers. I can certainly tell you that they do a shitload (pardon my french) of  pierce damage as it is.. I am also certain that with 4 powerstrike I can 1hit most people, and with 4-5 hits I could kill tin cans. In my honest opinion, this is a build to be abused and I think it's op enough as it is.

[zagibu]

I actually had a build for this for about 3 months.
Love daggers. I can certainly tell you that they do a shitload (pardon my french) of  pierce damage as it is.. I am also certain that with 4 powerstrike I can 1hit most people, and with 4-5 hits I could kill tin cans. In my honest opinion, this is a build to be abused and I think it's op enough as it is.

How do you want to 1hit-kill someone with 4 PS and 25 pierce? Maybe peasants, but who can't 1hit-kill peasants?

[MountedRhader]

How do you want to 1hit-kill someone with 4 PS and 25 pierce? Maybe peasants, but who can't 1hit-kill peasants?

My dagger is loomed, and it really isn't that hard with that much pierce

[zagibu]

My dagger is loomed, and it really isn't that hard with that much pierce

28 pierce with 4 PS and 150 WPF does 30 dmg max against 30 armor target.

[MountedRhader]

28 pierce with 4 PS and 150 WPF does 30 dmg max against 30 armor target.

Rest my case.

[Tzar]

I think they should buff the daggers dmg it will make it more rewarding trying to troll someone but!!! i guess if it was too much the whole point would be lost...

Aim for the eyes when you have to dagger people since u wont get another try if you miss

[ShinySpoons]

You must have an extra chromosome or something.

I will use this line from now on instead of calling my friends retarded. Thankie

[Diomedes]

My point being daggers don't need a buff. Plain and simple, or is that too hard for you to understand? You must have an extra chromosome or something.

That's a needless personal attack.  Even with those stats the dagger is not so effective as you claim:

I am also certain that with 4 powerstrike I can 1hit most people, and with 4-5 hits I could kill tin cans

Using those stats and a fairly balanced level 22 build the dagger would still need to be doing consistent headshots and, more importantly, doing at least or the average damage possible for the weapon.  Against heavy tin cans you'd also need to be doing consistent headshots for maximum damage in order to kill in 4-5 hits.

Don't result to personal attacks when somebody questions your hyperbole.

[MountedRhader]

That's a needless personal attack.  Even with those stats the dagger is not so effective as you claim:

Using those stats and a fairly balanced level 22 build

Level 22 build?
I was thinking more level 30 with a 12/24 build

[zagibu]

It doesn't matter. You don't kill anyone with 30 dmg (which is already the max, if you want to do consistent 1-hit kills, you'd need this dmg as min, but let's ignore that small fact for now), unless you score a headshot. You can rest your case all you want, ignorance doesn't win discussions. Or maybe you want to claim that you can do headshots consistently?

[Glyph]

with a spiked mace and 0 PS i could kill a lot of people in just 2-3 hits, if ofc. i hit there heads pretty often

[Diomedes]

Level 22 build?
I was thinking more level 30 with a 12/24 build

I was unclear.  The attacking player (you) in my simulations is level 30, the defending player is level 22 (an average version of "most people").