Mini announcement - retirement info, more grind for people who like grind

[Amroth]

Can we do:

level 30 gives you the ability to retire - keep your gear, reset of stats

level 31 gives you a better retire- same thing but you also get an heirloom


This way players that just want to try out new builds/stats can do that without too much pain.  And players who want to grind hardcore can do so and get a small reward for it.

+1

can't wait for patch XD

[Engine]

Again, Kesh is right. It's brutally painful to get from 30 to 31. It's over the top, really... I recommend making 31 the soft cap (because you need that for your final multiplicate-of-three attribute point anyway), and reducing the exp needed to a more reasonable figure; maybe double what would've been the normal figure.

Heirloomed items are definitely strong... but don't merit an arbitrary grind. That just takes away from the enjoyment of the game, it doesn't enhance it...

[Tristan]

I love the idea of limiting heirlooms and 31 retirement..

But please please make it possible to respec your char before lvl 31....

[Astinus]

Whatever changes you are planning, I hope those won't influence Strategus in a way that force you to grind to be competitive. That would be a way to resurrect the mod and it's not good, when considering I rejoyced every time you killed it

[Tungsten]

1-30 is 4.4 million experience.
30-31 is 4.3 million experience.

Please reduce that. That's ridiculous.

[RazorRamon]

^
that's the whole point

[Tungsten]

^
that's the whole point

So the whole point is to let people with heirloomed gear continue to dominate those without it because their weaponry is better and their armour mitigates more?

[Socrates]

easy come, easy go.

[Bulzur]

At the question "Why make retirement possible only at lv31, and not before at lv30" :

To make retiring a nontrivial affair. Else a typical grinder could retire every week.

I agree grinders would get it too easily, but casual would have like one item heirloomed, and that's all. And since heirloomed items, already way better at +2 than their normal version, will maybe get buff, then the difference between casual lv30 and grinder lv30 will be quite big.

I'd like to suggest somthing kinda new :
-Make retirement possible at lv29.
-Allow retiring after, at least, 2 (two, deux, dos) weeks, and not just one. Since way, grinders or not, it doesn't really matter anymore. I prefer fighting one guy who retired three times since patch, with 5 alts who did the same, than one guy who retired 6 times with his main character. o_O

[Cepeshi]

Ffs guys, if you think 4 mil is way too much, just dont do it! Do not cry for nerfs just because you want to have same advantage some person, that actually put some effort (grinding 4mega xp) in it. Bullcrap.

Leave the levelling as it is, the grinders have anyways a uber advantage by the generational XP bonus, my mate is getting 1600xp/min on x1, i am getting 1200. I think that is OK. If he was able to retire more before, he has it easier to get to 31 now, by quite a big amount.

So stop whining, u wont get shinies without playing for them. Even from the RP point of view: you are being trained as a soldier for lvls 1-30, then ur training is somewhat done and u go plow your enemies. After some time doing this (lvl 30-31) you grow old enough to be released from the service, you slaughtered a lots of guys, you turned few tides, struggled during long time wars on battlefields.

Leave the retirement as it is, if you want to have an edge, work for it!

(and yeah, i work and shit, yet still i manage to make like 100-200k xp per day, gonna be more during free time , still 3,3 mill away from 31, but i think its perfectly fine, i do not mind honing my skills with softcapped char till i get just some more to retire )

[Cepeshi]

Bulzur: with the removal of WPF being traded to next gen, why is it different to fight 6th or 2nd generation now?

[TommyHu]

I was just thinking about how having a looting and trade skill would be nice. More gold per tick and trade could be cheaper item/repair costs. Trainer could work too now that I'm thinking about it.

[UrLukur]

Bulzur: with the removal of WPF being traded to next gen, why is it different to fight 6th or 2nd generation now?

More xp, better gear ?

[bruce]

More xp, better gear ?

Better gear, although less XP. For instance, a gen 6 would need to (under new conditions) grind to 8.7 mil every time. Because of the bonus, he would have to grind:
8.7+(8.7/1.1)+(8.7/1.2)+(8.7/1.3)+(8.7/1.4)+(8.7/1.5) = 42.566 m effective xp. So he wouldn't have "more XP" because you wasted so much getting retirements.

Of course, as your goal (level you want to reach) approaches infinity, then it pays to retire for the bonus as the retirement requirements are constant but the xp bonus isn't, so as you approach infinite retirements the time to reach level 31 becomes infinitesimal, or your effective XP gain (gen 1 gain) goes to infinity. The lower your goal, the less optimal it is to retire. For instance, that gen 6 overtakes a gen 1 after you grind 127.7 M effective XP (at which point, both the gen1 and gen6 will have 127.7M XP, but the gen 6 will be generating XP over that quicker).