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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1020 on: April 23, 2018, 03:34:28 pm »
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I guess the easiest counter-argument would be to say that if they speak my language then that's cultural apro. on their part. Honestly, if a tribe somewhere in Laponia or in Africa, that doesn't speak a word of whatever language the person he's accusing speaks, then I think it's fair game. But anyone that's living within a culture can't then say that the culture is appropriating their culture. If you put even one toe on this asphalt, I'll wreck you in court.
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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1021 on: April 23, 2018, 03:45:02 pm »
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I guess the easiest counter-argument would be to say that if they speak my language then that's cultural apro. on their part. Honestly, if a tribe somewhere in Laponia or in Africa, that doesn't speak a word of whatever language the person he's accusing speaks, then I think it's fair game. But anyone that's living within a culture can't then say that the culture is appropriating their culture. If you put even one toe on this asphalt, I'll wreck you in court.

If it just went that easily. Next thing you know the bigger culture is getting blamed for colonization and forced assimilation of the minority culture (mind you with 0 proof but as we know that doesn't matter).
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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1022 on: April 23, 2018, 03:47:22 pm »
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Cognitive dissonance, post-shifting and blatant double standards isn't a bug, it's a deliberate feature.

Incidentally it's being pushed more and more on eastern Europe by the fucking traitors that are wilfully destroying their own people and countries in western Europe, but their stewardship under the Soviets has largely immunized them to delusional utopian bundle of sticksry.
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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1023 on: April 23, 2018, 03:54:29 pm »
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If it just went that easily. Next thing you know the bigger culture is getting blamed for colonization and forced assimilation of the minority culture (mind you with 0 proof but as we know that doesn't matter).

Well you can't make that argument on an individual level. If I own a banjo or a tamtam drum, then that's something you can take me up on. If someone uses public transport then that's something I can take them up on. You can't say I forced anyone to assimilate or colonized them, unless I am a drugstore employee and sold them probiotics.
If you want to take it beyond the level of two individuals then I think you need to start outlawing musical instruments.

By the way, is there anywhere said how they got the drum? Because I think there's a big difference, even as ridiculous as this whole situation is, between
1. Making that drum myself
2. Being sold that drum by "myself"
3. Being sold the drum by a Sami
4. Being gifted the drum by a Sami
5. Finding the drum
6. Stealing the drum
7. Not actually a Sami drum, just something that resembles it
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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1024 on: April 23, 2018, 04:05:28 pm »
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Confirmation bias, cherry picking, blatant ad-hominems, straw manning, etc... Everything goes. Just avoid legit arguments and you'll be fine.

Golem I didn't see any info where the drum came from other than that some student brought it in. I for one don't care where it came from. It's completely irrelevant in this context since the people complaining about it obviously didn't know or care either. My counter would be that they are trying to limit my freedom of speech and freedom of expression. They have also been discussing if it's ok for native Finnish Lapland people to make so called "sami- objects" like a traditional leather belt for example. It's absolutely ridiculous to try to say I can't make that if I want to.
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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1025 on: April 23, 2018, 04:27:43 pm »
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It's absolutely ridiculous to try to say I can't make that if I want to.

Unless I'm saying you suck at making it, so you'll fail.
It's really the same argument, in effect. You took a part of our culture? You're not able represent it properly, because you aren't us!
It's somewhat comparable to some shill homeo. healer, that didn't go through medschool and an actual professional calling him out on it.
Culture is not a service, though, so it kinda falls on its ass there. Maybe if taxes were dependent on the quality of (portrayal of) your culture then it'd make some sense, but all you really have is socialising. By taking a part of another culture and molding it, you are taking a social privilege from a group of people.
For example, if there is a hand-sign, used by a group of people when making a grocery store transaction - you get wise to it and use it, you've now unlocked an emotional response that is supposed to be only available to this ingroup.
So, if you own a drum used to invoke the spirits or whatever(i honestly have no idea), then you're now able to do magic that's only normally available to a Sami. But because you aren't a Sami, that means you'll just mess up the magic and probably for everyone else too.
So I think that the argument shouldn't be: It's just an instrument, a simple object, why care so much?
But maybe instead: Motherfucker, I'm a wizard too and you disrespect my magical abilities by saying I can't appropriate and properly use this drum, in fact, I'll transcend whatever magic you've created with it, just wait.

Then if they continue the harassment, just cast a curse on them.

That way you've either convinced them or you've reduced the whole argument to a complete and utter absurdity, which is imo better than trying to argue with common sense in this case.
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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1026 on: April 23, 2018, 05:22:30 pm »
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There was a sami drum at some university party here in Finland, just as a minor prop that was given no great significance to.

The university made a public apology for appropriating sami culture, said that it is VERY against their values, and promised to form a committee to prevent such things in the future, and will be punishing the student who brought the drum there.

jesus fucking christ

and I thought it was bad here in my town that the university banned an entire frat for having new members say that they hate niggers and spics as part of being sworn in to the frat.

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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1027 on: April 23, 2018, 05:25:29 pm »
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No such thing as black-only or "latino" only or jewish only or etc frats, right? Those are nice and normal and good. White only frats? reeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1028 on: April 23, 2018, 05:36:26 pm »
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My first thoughts were when dupre banned Havelle for saying the n word. But in real life.
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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1029 on: April 23, 2018, 07:28:04 pm »
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Your feelings don't trump reality.

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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1030 on: April 23, 2018, 07:53:34 pm »
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Anger at stupidity is an emotion, yes. Can't help but notice you never adress the substance in any of my posts, merely troll at a pathetic krems-like level. It is a mystery.
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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1031 on: April 23, 2018, 08:18:37 pm »
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Luckily for me I don't owe you a discussion.
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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1032 on: April 23, 2018, 10:43:34 pm »
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I don't personally k ow any one that feels guilty about being white, I'm sure it exists but alot of it just feels like internet drama tbh
You wouldn't. "White guilt" is a cultural trait that's developed in the West, something that changes the way people interact in certain social situations, not something that people necessarily affirmatively declare or even recognize as part of who they are. The people you know may not say to you "gee Archibot I sure do feel guilty for being vicariously white today," it likely isn't something they'd even think about, but I guarantee that they would bow to social pressure if they were put in a situation where their alleged whiteness was a point of contention. Likewise, if some kind of disavowal of their whiteness would lead them to social reward, they would immediately go for it. This is especially easy among people of our generation, for whom normal social situations have been replaced by digital ones and Instagram followers or Facebook likes or whatever are the new social capital. Throughout their lives they've been internalizing a narrative that divides people into oppressed and oppressors, and when that combines with other trends like meek non-confrontation and heightened racial sensitivity the average person will "feel guilty about being white," because it's en vogue to be. As consumers of popular culture, your friends are surrounded by social cues of varying methods and strengths that point them toward "white guilt," just as surely as they are encouraged to drink Coke or eat at McDonald's or buy Ray-Bans (and they do).
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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1033 on: April 23, 2018, 10:54:58 pm »
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i was talking to a buddy of mine who had a professor dismiss all white students and repeatedly say "fuck white ppl" during her lectures

im thinking about taking it


it's an ethics class.

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Re: Am I racist? 2.0
« Reply #1034 on: April 23, 2018, 11:23:40 pm »
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