Remove turnrate nerf

[Leshma]

Bunch of Europeans arguing over something only Americans can approve and implement. Europeans have no devs in this anymore, nor any semblance of influence.

[Gravoth_iii]

Well, as much as I would like a small buff to turnrate, I think it is good that the overall fighting puts more weight on pack vs pack, rather than a collection of switch duels. I would love to find a sweet point between the two, because I dont want fighting groups to devolve into duels, but I would like that the individual is slightly empowered within said groups.

Well as far as turnrate impact on teamfights in particular it would reduce teamhits and make for better teamplay in general, i was just mentioning duels as a whole being a lowered experience. I dont think you can encourage duel playstyles more than they already are, we have entire clans just drifting around looking for solo targets.

[Captain_Georges]

Its time

sure

[Gristle]

Turnrate nerf was good for the mod. Keep it.

Bunch of Europeans arguing over something only Americans can approve and implement. Europeans have no devs in this anymore, nor any semblance of influence.

That's how NA players felt for years.

[Captain_Georges]

Bunch of Europeans arguing over something only Americans can approve and implement. Europeans have no devs in this anymore, nor any semblance of influence.

that's the attitude we need to keep the mod alive, +1

[Panos_Tournament]

Coming from someone whos only used high damage unbalanced polearms, youve probably never tried anything that takes more practice than simply making a held rightswing.

What?


I have played all classes at least for one generation each.

Dont be a sore cunt, seriously.

[Gravoth_iii]

What?


I have played all classes at least for one generation each.

Dont be a sore cunt, seriously.

Dont be a sore cunt? Oh you sorest of all, maybe you should take your own advice.

[njames89]

When was the turn rate even nerfed? I don't know if I ever played before this nerf.

Was it nerfed when this gif was recorded?

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sidenote: I miss the other 2h stab animation

[//saxon]

nerf 2h

[Gravoth_iii]

When was the turn rate even nerfed? I don't know if I ever played before this nerf.

Was it nerfed when this gif was recorded?

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sidenote: I miss the other 2h stab animation

Hard to tell since short 2h can turn a lot. Pretty sure it was nerfed there though, i think it was removed at a time where 2h had the native stab or a similar looking one at least. Its been nerfed for so long i cant remember when it was done, id assume 2012/13 because 2011 was the year of stabbing at the very least. Maybe it was even later, i remember phyrex playing around 2012 at least, and he quit due to the nerf since duelling lost so much flavour.

[Butan]

When was the turn rate even nerfed? I don't know if I ever played before this nerf.

Was it nerfed when this gif was recorded?

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It was already nerfed yes.

In the mythical age of the first couple years of cRPG, you could basically turn as fast as when you're roaming, which meant you could make a 180° switch target near instantaneously. The greatest fighters of this era were lethal when fighting against multiple opponents because they could choose who to kill with ease as long as they had excellent awareness.

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Btw this gif here shows that even within the nerfed status, with very good positioning and mouse movement and exploiting 100% of the available turn speed, you can still do very cinematic stuff!

[njames89]

I guess I have played my entire cRPG career with the nerfed turn speed. Imagine how annoying I could be with even more spinning, damn.

[Bronto]

I guess I have played my entire cRPG career with the nerfed turn speed. Imagine how annoying I could be with even more spinning, damn.

Jamesnado would go from being a solid F2 to an F5.

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[Gravoth_iii]

Is this not still true? Provided that the person has excellent awareness.

As the spoiler and gif shows, this horrible slow-paced combat we're talking about in theory doesn't look or feel quite so slow or horrible in practice.

Maybe the issue isn't that the turn rate got nerfed. Maybe the issue is that the heroes from your memories were fighting plebs in 2011 that didn't know how to block. 7 years is a long time.

While it is true that the people fighting have gotten better, turnspeed still does change those fights. You cannot release an attack as early now because you have to first turn then release it in order to actually land it. Back then you could be looking at someone, release the attack and turn it on the one behind you, which makes it quite a lot faster, and harder to predict.

[Panos_]

FT7?

easy win for me.