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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #60 on: June 02, 2011, 02:11:17 am »
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Wouldn't even be surprised if it happens....

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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #61 on: June 02, 2011, 02:20:11 am »
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X-bow users should be limited to 1 handed weapons. If they want a shield too, it should be a 0 slot 1 hander  :idea:
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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #62 on: June 02, 2011, 02:23:15 am »
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X-bow users should be limited to 1 handed weapons. If they want a shield too, it should be a 0 slot 1 hander  :idea:

shouldnt be the case but some wpf req would solve 80% of the server having xbows

xbows cost any skill points? Bows need like 7pd to deal crazy damg like your xbow
do you even need wpf to use it at all? bows need like 100wpf+ to even get ok aim... your xbow has better aim at 0wpf then my long bow at 126wpf....
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its is op because anyone can pick it up and 1 shot people... Great range weapon for no trade off...
« Last Edit: June 02, 2011, 03:31:29 am by Tzar »
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.

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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #63 on: June 02, 2011, 07:36:24 am »
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Yeah, honestly there isn't any "nerf xbows" discussion here. The people who are actually good at, and want to use xbows will have more then 100 wpf in them anyway. Changing it so that wpf actually matters wont effect anyone but the people trying to use it as a free shotgun before jumping in to helicopter around.
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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #64 on: June 02, 2011, 08:08:10 pm »
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Nerf as in making low tiers xbows 2 slots, but nevermind, perhaps using the word "nerf" was a bit harsh. Perhaps changing the crossbows would be more appropriate.

Truth be told, you only come across as a whiner and a lobbyist (using your own words), when your constantly making threads about how unbalanced xbows are. Before xbows we had thrower hybrid, before that archer hybrids and even before that I believe we had xbows again. My point is perhaps people simply WANT a ranged weapon with them, and regardless if you change xbows, they will find something else that suits them.

Sometimes range dominates the big servers, that doesn't mean it's unbalanced, or even good. The whole idea with xbows is that they are less then an investment then Bows, especially the low tier ones. I don't see how you could change this without making them compete with bows (dedicated xbowers with loomed arbalests certainly can, but not in an unbalanced fashion).


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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #65 on: June 03, 2011, 04:40:05 am »
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The whole idea with xbows is that they are less then an investment then Bows, especially the low tier ones. I don't see how you could change this without making them compete with bows (dedicated xbowers with loomed arbalests certainly can, but not in an unbalanced fashion).

I dont see why a fully armored 2 hander should get 90% of the effectiveness of a bow with no additional penalty to another skill or attribute.
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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #66 on: June 03, 2011, 11:11:54 am »
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Yeah, honestly there isn't any "nerf xbows" discussion here. The people who are actually good at, and want to use xbows will have more then 100 wpf in them anyway. Changing it so that wpf actually matters wont effect anyone but the people trying to use it as a free shotgun before jumping in to helicopter around.

this. just get that wpf requirement on the xbows, and its all good.

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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #67 on: June 03, 2011, 03:15:53 pm »
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Intardasting:

Kills
[15:07] <Fasader> last week on EU1,2,5
[15:08] <Fasader> One handed: 38369 (20.60%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Two handed: 72257 (38.79%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Polearms: 42647 (22.90%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Bow: 15466 (8.30%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Crossbows: 8220 (4.41%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Thrown: 1042 (0.56%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Headshot: 7221 (3.88%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Others: 1048 (0.56%)

Those 80% are pretty bad at using their xbows. Also lol at thrown.

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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #68 on: June 03, 2011, 03:27:57 pm »
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Well, one could argue that they only use the Xbow to damage their opponents up to a point where they can easily kill them with their melee weapon... :P

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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #69 on: June 03, 2011, 03:32:19 pm »
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Now they use health show hax too?

"Wait, that guy is almost dead. I'll better shoot the other, full health guy next to him and finish both off with my 2h sword."
« Last Edit: June 03, 2011, 03:33:33 pm by Paul »

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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #70 on: June 03, 2011, 03:33:21 pm »
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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #71 on: June 03, 2011, 04:38:52 pm »
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I vote +1 for WPF requirement EXCEPT for 1 reason.

Agility build xbowmen with athletics 10.

Is it possible to implement dual requirements? Maintain the strength requirement and add a WPF requirement that also has to be met?

If that is possible then I would suggest going that method.

Xbows are pretty dang expensive too.... Extra armour helps more than a couple pew pews imo.

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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #72 on: June 03, 2011, 04:41:59 pm »
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Intardasting:

Kills
[15:07] <Fasader> last week on EU1,2,5
[15:08] <Fasader> One handed: 38369 (20.60%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Two handed: 72257 (38.79%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Polearms: 42647 (22.90%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Bow: 15466 (8.30%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Crossbows: 8220 (4.41%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Thrown: 1042 (0.56%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Headshot: 7221 (3.88%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Others: 1048 (0.56%)

Those 80% are pretty bad at using their xbows. Also lol at thrown.
Yah LOL at throwing, good job nerffing it to shit. Its really funny :rolleyes:
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This is my 2xheirloomed longbow at 130 wpf and 8pd.                                                                                                                  This is my MasterWork light xbow wat 0wpf and no PD(it is a skill-less weapon)
master work long bow dose about 36p base damg (i had to get 0melee and converted all skill into Attributes to even weild it)       Master work light xbow  deals 68p base damg, no converted points.I had like 9ps/9if/3ath/3wm/3 ride 130 wpf melee and 0wpf xbow
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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #73 on: June 03, 2011, 05:00:25 pm »
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Yah LOL at throwing, good job nerffing it to shit. Its really funny :rolleyes:
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This is my 2xheirloomed longbow at 130 wpf and 8pd.                                                                                                                  This is my MasterWork light xbow wat 0wpf and no PD(it is a skill-less weapon)
master work long bow dose about 36p base damg (i had to get 0melee and converted all skill into Attributes to even weild it)       Master work light xbow  deals 68p base damg, no converted points.I had like 9ps/9if/3ath/3wm/3 ride 130 wpf melee and 0wpf xbow
Actually after my build "maturing" I find I can get a few kills here and there with throwing daggers and wardarts. If I really hunt peasants I can get stone kills  :mrgreen:. Throwing got nerfed pretty hard, but it isn't unplayable. Much like being an archer, you have to wait for the skills to get the kills, but I must say it is pretty fun.
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Re: Pretty much 80 percent of all battle players use Crossbows
« Reply #74 on: June 03, 2011, 05:40:59 pm »
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Intardasting:

Kills
[15:07] <Fasader> last week on EU1,2,5
[15:08] <Fasader> One handed: 38369 (20.60%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Two handed: 72257 (38.79%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Polearms: 42647 (22.90%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Bow: 15466 (8.30%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Crossbows: 8220 (4.41%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Thrown: 1042 (0.56%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Headshot: 7221 (3.88%)
[15:08] <Fasader> Others: 1048 (0.56%)

Those 80% are pretty bad at using their xbows. Also lol at thrown.

What you incompetent devs fail to see is that out of the 8220 xbow kills maybe only 2000 of less of em are from dedicated xbow users the rest of kills goes to boost the kdr of the polearm/2h/1h users using it as sidearm..... also does the headshot % goes under bows thrown and xbow statistic?

Also this still doenst justify for the easy use of the xbow and no skill investment.. plus the amount of ranged on the servers doenst rly add to the fun...

But nonetheless its clear that the devs use xbow em self as sidearm so i guess further complaints are useless
« Last Edit: June 03, 2011, 05:47:14 pm by Tzar »
I've never played a server where people split up as much or as often as on EU1.  No wonder range is having a field day.