NA Map Rotation

[banned123]

I spent a little time commenting and screenshotting all the maps currently in the NA map rotation, and some that aren't in it but have been in the past.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AYC7IsMh3Qtru8rdJQYB1Vi16McUrufrDdS1gwjzwEI/edit?usp=sharing


Horns will set up a survey for the rotation later for everyone to vote on maps for the rotation, but feel free to chat about the maps in this thread until then.

[Blackbow]

cool i wanted to do the same with screenschots (but too lazy), coz all map names are fucked on eu, i guess on na too

[Penitent]

Thanks for organizing this, but I take some issue with your rating system and comments.

Not ALL maps have to be good for ALL classes ALL the time.

It's OK to play a cramped map sometimes -- I like them.  Get in close, clusterfuck.  Ranged and cav may struggle, but it's fun stuff.

Sometimes we need a cav map to let people stretch their legs.  Get the pikes!

Some maps may favor ranged, and adds a new dynamic and hazard to cope with.  It's fun and keeps it interesting, in my opinion.

"Perfectly" balanced maps are good too!  Keep them in rotation and have lots of them, of course.

We also need small maps.  Servers are never full (I predict population will trend upwards for a while, then slowly downwards) so don't discount small maps.  Very important.

[njames89]

Agree with OP.

My top maps to be added in would also include:

• Tavern(named Burning Witch)
• Arena
• Cave of Odin
• Chasm
• Hun in the Sun
• Volcano Valley

[banned123]

Thanks for organizing this, but I take some issue with your rating system and comments.

Not ALL maps have to be good for ALL classes ALL the time.

It's OK to play a cramped map sometimes -- I like them.  Get in close, clusterfuck.  Ranged and cav may struggle, but it's fun stuff.

Sometimes we need a cav map to let people stretch their legs.  Get the pikes!

Some maps may favor ranged, and adds a new dynamic and hazard to cope with.  It's fun and keeps it interesting, in my opinion.

"Perfectly" balanced maps are good too!  Keep them in rotation and have lots of them, of course.

We also need small maps.  Servers are never full (I predict population will trend upwards for a while, then slowly downwards) so don't discount small maps.  Very important.

I agree for sure. I was mostly rating based on balance for all classes so it was somewhat objective, but that doesn't mean ALL the poorly balanced ones shouldn't be in the rotation since variety is good.

[Penitent]

I agree for sure. I was mostly rating based on balance for all classes so it was somewhat objective, but that doesn't mean ALL the poorly balanced ones shouldn't be in the rotation since variety is good.

That makes sense.  Maybe the spreadsheet can be updated to say "balance rating" instead of just "rating" or something.

I'm just worried the "masses" will simply vote the highly rated maps and dismiss the others that are rated lower, and we'll lose some really fun ones.

[Davic]

A general complaint I have about several maps currently in rotation are areas that are only reachable via jumping. It seems that every other map has an area or two like this, which makes archers that reach it pretty much invulnerable to non-shield melee and cavalry, since jumping when an archer is trying to shoot you is pretty much suicide. I'm fine with archers having verticality, but it seems broken to have places that are so hard to reach, especially when it is pretty simple to fix.

[Penitent]

since jumping when an archer is trying to shoot you is pretty much suicide automatically losing 1/6th of your health.

[Thryn]

some of the maps are straight poopoo

i'd like to see some maps that put flags in a decent position so that both sides have to give up their positions in order to contest the point

i hate when its like 4v4 and flags spawn and the last infantry have to run 200m into an open field against camping longbows

[the real god emperor]

Add all native maps to the rotation. I mean why not?

[Jona]

Tbh there are a lot of good maps that are bad/bad maps that are good when you consider/reconsider flag positions. There are some great village maps that have flags spawn right next to an accessible rooftop or steep hill which absolutely ruins it since the first team to get an archers nest there is likely to win once master of the field comes up. Likewise some bad maps could be made much better by just moving the flags to a more balanced position.

[Blackbow]

also maps wich become good on low population and bad on high population and vice and verca...

i would love to see a new map rotation with some old good famous maps (specialy some from mustiki)

do you guys think only Dupre could make a new map rotation or anyone else ?

[Davic]

also maps wich become good on low population and bad on high population and vice and verca...

When I played lots of Native, I remember some people in charge of the GK servers talking about implementing a system them looks at the current number of players in the server, and then choosing from maps that best fit that population. I don't think they ever got it set up, so I'm not sure how viable it actually is, but it is certainly an interesting idea that could make the game more fun at all populations.

[Horns]

I will setup a survey monkey tonight and do some pruning myself of a few maps. Sorry it took so long for me to finally get around to doing it.