GAME OF THRONES - SEASON 7 - SPOILERS INSIDE - 7/16/2017

[Asheram]

Well they don't look like swords that western knights used!!!

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hope they have some sort of way to strap that thing to your wrist as it would seem easy to hook one of that blades corners with a longer weapon and pull it out of your hand.

[Xant]

hope they have some sort of way to strap that thing to your wrist as it would seem easy to hook one of that blades corners with a longer weapon and pull it out of your hand.

That's not a Dothraki sword, that's an Egyptian sword.

And how on Earth would you pull that sword out of someone's grip with your own piece of metal that can't latch onto anything? At best you'd get into a tug of war, except the other guy is holding onto a sword grip and you're using a sharp piece of metal to hold onto... sharp piece of metal.

[Asheram]

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https://youtu.be/CjNITziYPV0

[Macropus]

Like Tristan said then, strap a shield too it maybe one with an edge to it. Or have the arm sword with a buckler strapped to forearm so he could block and use the sword arm for stabbing.

There are many things that could possibly get attached to Jaime's arm, the thing is they aren't any more useful than a golden hand. Why are you so obsessed with an "arm-sword"?

As far as the dothroki swords that's just my opinion mate. Is one not allowed to have differing opinions where you are from?

I didn't think it was someone else's opinion, I know it was yours. What I asked was - what made you get this opinion about those swords? Or is one not allowed to ask about your someone's opinion where you're from?  Retard...

hope they have some sort of way to strap that thing to your wrist as it would seem easy to hook one of that blades corners with a longer weapon and pull it out of your hand.

Well, at this point I'm quite sure you're just trying to troll.

[Taser]

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[Jona]

Really all Jaime's hand needs to be is a fist, that way he can at least bludgeon people with it instead of karate-chopping his way through enemies like buzz lightyear.

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It would also be beneficial to have a hand made of basically any metal besides gold, which is just unnecessarily heavy and soft, but he's gotta show off that he's rich somehow.

[Asheram]

Really all Jaime's hand needs to be is a fist, that way he can at least bludgeon people with it instead of karate-chopping his way through enemies like buzz lightyear.

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It would also be beneficial to have a hand made of basically any metal besides gold, which is just unnecessarily heavy and soft, but he's gotta show off that he's rich somehow.

or even better a fist with a repeating xbow attached to it that opens up to be a hand cannon.
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Well, at this point I'm quite sure you're just trying to troll.

Nah I just keep making the mistake of replying to you.

[Oberyn]

I always pictured the dothraki as a mongol analogue, meaning largely horse archers. Apparently they turned them into hussars for the TV show, which is understandable, it's prob hard to find a lot of extras that can manage to convincingly shoot a bow from a horse. Whereas holding a kopesh or whatever the fuck that is while galloping is relatively simple.

[Asheram]

I always pictured the dothraki as a mongol analogue, meaning largely horse archers. Apparently they turned them into hussars for the TV show, which is understandable, it's prob hard to find a lot of extras that can manage to convincingly shoot a bow from a horse. Whereas holding a kopesh or whatever the fuck that is while galloping is relatively simple.

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-an-unfair-bias-among-%E2%80%9CA-Song-of-Ice-and-Fire%E2%80%9D-fans-against-the-Dothrakis-martial-prowess-relative-to-the-Westerosi-knights-Does-this-bias-belittle-military-forces-of-the-western-style-forgetting-that-the-Huns-wrecked-the-Roman-empire?share=1#!n=24
The comments on this were an interesting read. Some were saying the Dothraki may look like Mongols but they didn't have the complex social command structure that the Mongols did which allowed them to beat Rome at one point. They were saying the Dothraki were more like barbarians'

And interesting but lengthy excerpt:

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"First of all we must look at why cultures superficially similar to the Dothraki were successful militarily in the past, I'll analyse the Mongols because they are the nomadic culture I know the most about.

First of all the greatest thing the Mongols possessed was their commanders, they had several very good commanders, and an excellent command and control structure. One thing that set them apart from Europeans during this time was that their commanders led from the rear, and many of their commanders were not great warriors, the Mongols appreciated the value of keeping commanders safe and picking commanders based on command skills, not combat skills. In Europe at the time every battlefield commander was expected to be a warrior, and would generally be expected to lead from near the front. Europe also lacked the signalling techniques the Mongols had for centuries after the Mongol expansion.

The Dothraki don't take care of commanders, don't pick them based on command merit, and haven't shown any real command skill since the conquest of the Sarnor nearly 400 years ago.

Secondly the Mongols were willing to innovate, a lot, the got different soldiers in their army from people they conquered, they adopted new armours and weapons, new tactics and new siege engines. The Dothraki do not do any of this, they have a very conservative culture, that does not lend itself well to dominating major powers.

We also see that the Mongols didn't fare well against mid-medieval European armies, they weren't successful against heavy cavalry and crossbowmen in their second invasion of Hungary and their invasion of Poland.

Westeros has lots of archers and lots of heavy cavalry, both units that real world horse archers had great difficulty defeating, foot archers would be far more effective against the Dothraki than against real world light cavalry due to the Dothraki wearing no armour whatsoever.
 
Martin messed up with the Dothraki, they are a culture of horse archers, almost exclusively, when horse archers cannot win battles without support from other units.

No horse archers can defeat an enemy army without some kind of shock cavalry because archery simply isn't effective enough to slaughter an entire army of anything. This is why Mongol armies were 40% shock cavalry, and why the Dothraki successes make no sense, and future successes should be impossible."

[Oberyn]

Yeah true the mongols also did have cataphract style heavy knights to break up the enemy after it was softened and broken up by volleys. The horse archers themselves were effective at running down most infantry too.

[Xant]

I always pictured the dothraki as a mongol analogue, meaning largely horse archers. Apparently they turned them into hussars for the TV show, which is understandable, it's prob hard to find a lot of extras that can manage to convincingly shoot a bow from a horse. Whereas holding a kopesh or whatever the fuck that is while galloping is relatively simple.

They're supposed to be Mongol-lite, at least when it comes to weaponry. On the show they say the Dothraki learn how to shoot a bow from horseback at the age of four. In the battle we saw two guys shoot bows, almost certainly for the reasons you stated

[Xant]

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"First of all we must look at why cultures superficially similar to the Dothraki were successful militarily in the past, I'll analyse the Mongols because they are the nomadic culture I know the most about.

First of all the greatest thing the Mongols possessed was their commanders, they had several very good commanders, and an excellent command and control structure. One thing that set them apart from Europeans during this time was that their commanders led from the rear, and many of their commanders were not great warriors, the Mongols appreciated the value of keeping commanders safe and picking commanders based on command skills, not combat skills. In Europe at the time every battlefield commander was expected to be a warrior, and would generally be expected to lead from near the front. Europe also lacked the signalling techniques the Mongols had for centuries after the Mongol expansion.

The Dothraki don't take care of commanders, don't pick them based on command merit, and haven't shown any real command skill since the conquest of the Sarnor nearly 400 years ago.

Secondly the Mongols were willing to innovate, a lot, the got different soldiers in their army from people they conquered, they adopted new armours and weapons, new tactics and new siege engines. The Dothraki do not do any of this, they have a very conservative culture, that does not lend itself well to dominating major powers.

We also see that the Mongols didn't fare well against mid-medieval European armies, they weren't successful against heavy cavalry and crossbowmen in their second invasion of Hungary and their invasion of Poland.

Westeros has lots of archers and lots of heavy cavalry, both units that real world horse archers had great difficulty defeating, foot archers would be far more effective against the Dothraki than against real world light cavalry due to the Dothraki wearing no armour whatsoever.
 
Martin messed up with the Dothraki, they are a culture of horse archers, almost exclusively, when horse archers cannot win battles without support from other units.

No horse archers can defeat an enemy army without some kind of shock cavalry because archery simply isn't effective enough to slaughter an entire army of anything. This is why Mongol armies were 40% shock cavalry, and why the Dothraki successes make no sense, and future successes should be impossible."

That guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

"Didn't fare well against mid-European armies", ok buddy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Legnica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mohi

The New Encyclopædia Britannica, Volume 29 says that "Employed against the Mongol invaders of Europe, knightly warfare failed even more disastrously for the Poles at the Battle of Legnica and the Hungarians at the Battle of Mohi in 1241. Feudal Europe was saved from sharing the fate of China and Muscovy not by its tactical prowess but by the unexpected death of the Mongols' supreme ruler, Ögedei, and the subsequent eastward retreat of his armies."[40]

[Asheram]

That guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

"Didn't fare well against mid-European armies", ok buddy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Legnica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mohi

but they werent Dothrakis so, or more specifically Dothraki only favor Mongols in looks.

[Xant]

but they werent Dothrakis so, or more specifically Dothraki only favor Mongols in looks.

I wasn't talking about Dothrakis, and Dothraki look nothing like Mongols, in equipment or actual appearance.

[Asheram]

I wasn't talking about Dothrakis, and Dothraki look nothing like Mongols, in equipment or actual appearance.

well according to one of those posters GRRM wrote them to be predominately horse archers.