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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2016, 01:45:18 am »
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Trump is the living embodiment of the American dream.

A testament to the fact that man needs neither intelligence nor any sort of marketable skill in order to rise to the top.

You've got that completely twisted around.  Not unexpectedly.
The American dream is that a man of humble origins, through hard work and perserverance, can better his condition, unhindered by the dead weight of a class ridden society.  I'd say it's been more true in the US than anywhere else.

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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2016, 02:01:02 am »
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http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/

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The relationship between father-son earnings is tighter in the United States than in most peer OECD countries, meaning U.S. mobility is among the lowest of major industrialized economies. The relatively low correlations between father-son earnings in Scandinavian countries provide a stark contradiction to the conventional wisdom. An elasticity of 0.47 found in the United States offers much less likelihood of moving up than an elasticity of 0.18 or less, as characterizes Finland, Norway, and Denmark.

You can also do a Google search for OECD's international social mobility assessment pdf.

Interestingly, some of the least socially mobile countries are the ones where the myth of the self-made man is extolled with the most fervour.

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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2016, 03:04:54 am »
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Just keep your head down and keep working slave, eventually you will make your way to the top of the pyramid.
And how!

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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2016, 04:25:40 am »
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http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/

You can also do a Google search for OECD's international social mobility assessment pdf.

Interestingly, some of the least socially mobile countries are the ones where the myth of the self-made man is extolled with the most fervour.

Just because it may not be based on reality does not mean it's not a dream.  And of course the dream in the US was probably stronger from 1945 to 1975 when it had the greatest chance of being true.  It was then that the middle class was growing rapidly with returning war veterans entering college, starting new jobs and starting new households.  The wealth gap between the workers and the upper echelons was not as extreme as today.  Also the Horatio Alger, rags to riches narrative was much more potent in the late 19th century in the US and has been deeply ingrained in the popular conception as the article below relates.

Question:  Does that comparison with Scandanavia take into account the growing immigrant community in the father-son earnings?

This indicates that though Sweden has one of the highest social mobility rates in the world that the top of the income stratum is dominated by people whose parents were rich.
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2016, 04:51:59 am »
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #35 on: May 12, 2016, 09:12:40 am »
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #36 on: May 12, 2016, 01:00:52 pm »
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Just because it may not be based on reality does not mean it's not a dream.  And of course the dream in the US was probably stronger from 1945 to 1975 when it had the greatest chance of being true.  It was then that the middle class was growing rapidly with returning war veterans entering college, starting new jobs and starting new households.  The wealth gap between the workers and the upper echelons was not as extreme as today.  Also the Horatio Alger, rags to riches narrative was much more potent in the late 19th century in the US and has been deeply ingrained in the popular conception as the article below relates.

This indicates that though Sweden has one of the highest social mobility rates in the world that the top of the income stratum is dominated by people whose parents were rich.
Yes, after the war when the rest of the developed world lay in ruins and America had literally half of the world's wealth it ushered in at least a 20 year golden age for the American middle-class, and the really large wealth gaps started showing again especially after Reagan's economic policies in the 80s (and Thatcher's in England).

Concerning Sweden, then yes, it may be in the better end of social mobility world-wide but it's still not very good compared to the other Nordic countries Denmark, Norway and Finland.

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Question:  Does that comparison with Scandanavia take into account the growing immigrant community in the father-son earnings?
Sweden has the same percentage of its national population being immigrants as the US (14.3%), Norway being a bit lower (13.8) and Denmark and Finland a lot lower (9 and 5.4, respectively). These numbers also include immigrants from other western countries, of course. (based on the UN report 'Trends in International Migrant Stock: The 2015 Revision' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_immigrant_population).
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2016, 06:35:40 am »
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2016, 07:42:22 am »
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2016, 03:36:07 pm »
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I just hope Trump wins and the first thing he will do as a president is deporting Bernie the Cuck and Shillary Clinton to Mexico.
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #40 on: May 19, 2016, 10:04:31 am »
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #41 on: May 26, 2016, 01:54:36 pm »
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #42 on: May 26, 2016, 03:39:32 pm »
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Still not as bad as tramp.
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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #43 on: May 28, 2016, 02:36:01 am »
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Trump promised to make US energy free from international markets, yet at the same time promised to bring in oil from another country. All to the sound of applause in the state that would be facing pressure from the foreign oil.
He also promised he'd preserve our wealth of fossil fuel resources, while at the same time arranging to extract them as quickly as possible.
http://arstechnica.com/science/2016/05/donald-trumps-energy-plan-everything-but-the-pet-unicorn/

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Re: The Trumphog has seen its shadow
« Reply #44 on: May 29, 2016, 12:59:20 am »
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http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/

You can also do a Google search for OECD's international social mobility assessment pdf.

Interestingly, some of the least socially mobile countries are the ones where the myth of the self-made man is extolled with the most fervour.

You can get more wealthy in US, which contributes much to the myth. Naturally a few super-rich from bottom get more attention than average higher social mobility.