Leave or stay in the EU?

[Tibes]

Maybe that's the reason why EU is such a great place to live. I assume that Russia is nowhere near as soft and toothless as EU, so maybe you wanna get back to your homeland?

No thats not it. The key is being moderately humane and reasonable with atleast some set of teeth. Atleast half of Europes problems are due to being a doormatt in the international community. Which I find completely odd, because the original EU created pre-WW2, the League of Nations was an utter and complete failure, not because it wasnt humane, but because it too was a doormatt. Ultimately the same problems haunt the current EU. Its wierd how we learned nothing. And these flaws didnt reveal themselves until recently, now that we do have serius issues to deal with.

Also about Russia. In their case its extremely viable to have a full set of teeth always and never be soft. Because the mentality of their people and the people around them. The moment they gather around the campfire and start singing kumbaya, is the moment their entire country will be engulfed into flames. Its nice to think how everyone should have democracy and be totally humane and reasonable, but for some its not just possible, because their enemies are violent and unreasonable. EUs stance on how everyone can be reasoned with, is really suprising to even have gotten us this far...

[Angantyr]

Some background on the case Armpit is talking about;

The guy's name is Gimi Levakovic, he is a perfect example of the type of plague rat enriching our culture as long as we don't quality check at our borders. He is from a gypsy crime family called the Levakovic clan, small part hustlers and wannabe gangsters, but also serious social scammers, rapists and violent criminals.
They have been here for 40 years and like the Palestinian Daabas family on Funen or the gypsy Karoli clan in Norway (over a 100 members) as good as every single member of these huge families have a criminal background and have been on state welfare their entire lives.

Some years ago it was demonstrated how 28 members of the Levakovic family had received 17 million Danish Crowns in welfare in just four years.
Formerly, three members of the family, Jura, Django and Stefano, have been expelled from the country back to Croatia after some very rough home robberies, besides, a fourth member, Alpacino Petrovic, has been expelled for 12 years for crazy driving in Copenhagen while on heroin. They are referred to in media as 'the most criminal family in Denmark', and surprise surprise aren't natives.

Jura:

Gimi:

[Angantyr]

I hope that EU prevails, and stops being a sort of an old and sweet grandma, that used to be something special back in the days, but who is not being taken seriously anymore, because of her alzheimers.

The European states have had post traumatic stress for the last 70 years after the two most destructive wars in world history were fought in our midst. This is slowly changing as we speak, Europe has rebuilt, is at peace, and as many political commentators observe the geist of our time is the US cutting down a bit and the European states taking a greater responsibility for security issues once more, which seem a more fair deal for all.

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[Leshma]

Alpacino Petrovic

 

[Butan]

They are referred to in media as 'the most criminal family in Denmark', and surprise surprise aren't natives.

Ok, they arent natives.
What would make it different if they were?
Do you think any of the countrymen never did what you described?
Why do the justice of this country doesnt take them to court, and cite one reason that it is related to their origin? And last question, do you think they would have been sent to jail if they were natives?

[Angantyr]

I expect guests to behave not be more criminal than the natives. And of course they've been to jail, many times, to them Danish jail is like a luxury hotel.

[Xant]

Gypsies do the same shit in every country. The women use a traditional black skirt with a wide metal thing holding it up at the hips, and they're known to steal shit and hang it on some hooks inside the skirts. The amount of crap they can fit there is amazing. And the men are known for carrying knives and stealing phones, watches, tires... and any time you catch one of them stealing from a store, their whole clan shows up and sometimes succeeds in intimidating the store owner. One of the most stereotypical people ever, 95% of them act exactly the same.

And there have been some documentaries made about gypsy neighbors, both here and in Sweden, and those are some real horror stories.

[Angantyr]

Even gypsies themselves admit it.

I've known a few gypsies in my wild youth, in particular a pair of siblings; the brother was a professional burglar and robber and the sister sold cocaine and drank speed in her daily coffee. I quite liked the sister, funny girl, as far as I know she has become a lot more responsible now with age, children etc. Think the brother is still incarcerated.

[Butan]

I expect guests to behave not be more criminal than the natives. And of course they've been to jail, many times, to them Danish jail is like a luxury hotel.

I expect to be answered when I ask questions, I guess it cant be avoided that some avoid their responsabilities, like "guests" in other people's countries.
I will catch you off-guard one day, and you will have to show your cards...

[Armpit_Sweat]

I expect to be answered when I ask questions, I guess it cant be avoided that some avoid their responsabilities, like "guests" in other people's countries.
I will catch you off-guard one day, and you will have to show your cards...

Hmm.. Since I'm not a Dane, it might be hard for me to see it from the "native" angle, although I would like to express my own, personal view on crime punishments in general. And obviously I can see where you are pointing at with those questions.

On a personal level I find the good old "eye for an eye" policy to be fair: if I get punched in the face - it's fair to punch back, if I get something stolen - it's fair to expect the value of the item returned to me, if someone I love gets killed - I would probably want a revenge. But! It's something completely different when it comes to crimes unrelated to me personally - all I want is the isolation of an individual who commits crimes repeatedly.

I don't want anyone, even hardcore criminals to suffer. I don't know them personally, I don't know the victims, I might know nothing about the details of the case - all I want is safety and order on the streets. I want people who are unable, for whatever reason, to be a part of peaceful and lawful society to be gone. If they can be rehabilitated and introduced into society through education programs and such - it's great! If they can't find their place in life, or at least keep a low profile - I want them to be isolated from the rest. Not to be punished or be suffering, just gone or monitored 24/7.

So when it comes to foreign criminals there is a solution - they can be sent back to where they came from, and be off the streets. You can't send a local guy anywhere, Australia is a sovereign nation these days, so we can't just sail them all over there...

I find it hard to believe, that Danes have warmer feelings for Danish rapists and gangbangers, in comparison to foreign. But there is at least some sort of social responsibility for them, as the local criminals are probably a 100% result of local social/cultural failure, and there is a sort of a psychological blame on everyone... Ain't that natural?..

P.s. I apologieze for my shitty English these days, I keep using my phone, and it's a pain in the ass to correct text on it...

[Tibes]

You wrote all that on your phone? My fingers hurt even thinking about it.

[Molly]

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Hmm.. Since I'm not a Dane, it might be hard for me to see it from the "native" angle, although I would like to express my own, personal view on crime punishments in general. And obviously I can see where you are pointing at with those questions.

On a personal level I find the good old "eye for an eye" policy to be fair: if I get punched in the face - it's fair to punch back, if I get something stolen - it's fair to expect the value of the item returned to me, if someone I love gets killed - I would probably want a revenge. But! It's something completely different when it comes to crimes unrelated to me personally - all I want is the isolation of an individual who commits crimes repeatedly.

I don't want anyone, even hardcore criminals to suffer. I don't know them personally, I don't know the victims, I might know nothing about the details of the case - all I want is safety and order on the streets. I want people who are unable, for whatever reason, to be a part of peaceful and lawful society to be gone. If they can be rehabilitated and introduced into society through education programs and such - it's great! If they can't find their place in life, or at least keep a low profile - I want them to be isolated from the rest. Not to be punished or be suffering, just gone or monitored 24/7.

So when it comes to foreign criminals there is a solution - they can be sent back to where they came from, and be off the streets. You can't send a local guy anywhere, Australia is a sovereign nation these days, so we can't just sail them all over there...

I find it hard to believe, that Danes have warmer feelings for Danish rapists and gangbangers, in comparison to foreign. But there is at least some sort of social responsibility for them, as the local criminals are probably a 100% result of local social/cultural failure, and there is a sort of a psychological blame on everyone... Ain't that natural?..

P.s. I apologieze for my shitty English these days, I keep using my phone, and it's a pain in the ass to correct text on it...

An idealist agrees!
Shocking, right?

[Butan]

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Hmm.. Since I'm not a Dane, it might be hard for me to see it from the "native" angle, although I would like to express my own, personal view on crime punishments in general. And obviously I can see where you are pointing at with those questions.

On a personal level I find the good old "eye for an eye" policy to be fair: if I get punched in the face - it's fair to punch back, if I get something stolen - it's fair to expect the value of the item returned to me, if someone I love gets killed - I would probably want a revenge. But! It's something completely different when it comes to crimes unrelated to me personally - all I want is the isolation of an individual who commits crimes repeatedly.

I don't want anyone, even hardcore criminals to suffer. I don't know them personally, I don't know the victims, I might know nothing about the details of the case - all I want is safety and order on the streets. I want people who are unable, for whatever reason, to be a part of peaceful and lawful society to be gone. If they can be rehabilitated and introduced into society through education programs and such - it's great! If they can't find their place in life, or at least keep a low profile - I want them to be isolated from the rest. Not to be punished or be suffering, just gone or monitored 24/7.

So when it comes to foreign criminals there is a solution - they can be sent back to where they came from, and be off the streets. You can't send a local guy anywhere, Australia is a sovereign nation these days, so we can't just sail them all over there...

I find it hard to believe, that Danes have warmer feelings for Danish rapists and gangbangers, in comparison to foreign. But there is at least some sort of social responsibility for them, as the local criminals are probably a 100% result of local social/cultural failure, and there is a sort of a psychological blame on everyone... Ain't that natural?..

P.s. I apologieze for my shitty English these days, I keep using my phone, and it's a pain in the ass to correct text on it...

100% agree.

The line between "has done some mistake in life" and "cant be a part of peaceful society" would have to be lawfully described, but that would be up to lawyers and politicians.
Why not even instate hard labour for this kind of scum? Because sometimes you just cant send them back anywhere (protected refugees, no official birthplace, high cost of lawfully escorting people out, will illegally come back anyway... etc), and even homegrown criminals that will pass half their lives in jail need the love.
Since most of our modern western countries abolished death penalty, gotta find a use to them.
Now of course, from USA history with hard labour, that and death penalty always had its fails...

[Falka]

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The truth be told, there's some relief in that; my countrymen are not the only ones who are batshit crazy.

[Leesin]

I want UK to leave the EU, I was on the fence to begin with, but honestly I just want to see what actually happens if we leave the EU, if we stay, nothing changes, probably gets worse anyway and we'll never know what leaving the EU would do for us, good or bad. I'd rather take the risk and see if the grass really is greener, because even if it isn't I am pretty sure I can survive and provide for my children.