Leave or stay in the EU?

[Yeldur]

I was afraid it would read like I was implying something.
I wasn't tho and I apologize for making it sound like I would. I was merely giving my look on 'education'.

I am too way better in verbal exams than written ones. Talking about a subject gives the opportunity to show that you understood it and merely showing that you know how to use some equation.
Nonetheless, imagine a big company hiring and getting 20 CVs a day over the course of 2 weeks. You really expect them to invite everyone to an interview? That is not practical.
Also, stop thinking about sending your CV by post. Go to company, to the front desk, introduce yourself, ask for the possibility to personally give your CV to someone from HR. Lots of companies will appreciate the effort and initiative.

There are many ways to get to places. That's what I ment with 'how to handle situations, yourself and your attitude, people'.
Right now your just blaming others for you not getting better grades and how you will not get your dream job.

The amount of times I blamed myself for what was primarily their fuck ups was incredible, I only realise now that by blaming myself (Even without doing anything wrong, I worked hard and I SHOULD have passed the majority of my exams) I spent probably the last month or two of my secondary school after school for about 2-3 hours more EVERY day and my teacher told me and my parents this "I'm going to do my best to teach him everything but in reality his knowledge gap is too large to fix.) The fact that the school I went to didn't have a teacher for 3 years isn't my fault what so ever, it's the schools fault and the schools fault alone.
 
I agree that with some of the other exams like History, the teachers were probably off on their predictions, and with Drama there was still a chance for me to get the grade I wanted (I still don't know what actually caused me to fail because I was never told) But with Math I can say without any doubt in my mind that it was my schools fault that I failed. I did everything I could have done to manage and I just couldn't catch up.

And nah, I don't think a company could handle that much work in terms of CV's, I just think that there should be better ways to get into companies than just a CV as the standard form.

(Also, I don't actually have a dream job, IT is too vast for me to have figured out what I want to do in it yet, I like most aspects of IT so I don't really have a dream)

[Yeldur]

The Human Right i was referring to was the right to family life which Teresa May herself was opposing in relation to deporting terrorists, thats the point I was talking about. The UK want their own Human rights and are creating their own version in preperation for the UK leaving the EU. The main point behind the Tories 'out,out,out' movement is the ECHR becoming too controlling over British Soverignity

Oh, my apologies, I must have misinterpreted

[Murmillus_Prime]

I don't know what has been said there and in what capacity. I don't claim to. Yeldur has the best idea of us three, and it apparently was a debate with both sides well present at his school.

I'll bite on the neutrality argument though; If the EU just has more benefits than disadvantages, should schools still balance their teaching of the EU as if it was a +-0 affair? They should only be allowed to speak of a positive if they can also find an equal and opposite negative to EU membership?

Wouldn't that be a bias in itself?

Also would it be indoctrination to teach kids about the big bang without mentioning God? And Vishnu? And maybe a couple of others? And what about equal time!?
I'm pretty sure no one has been expelled for presenting a rational argument against the EU. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

See also: The lifelong process of inheriting and disseminating norms, customs, values and ideologies, providing an individual with the skills and habits necessary for participating within their own society. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialization

Learning how to be a part of society.. YE GODS STOP DOING THAT TO OUR CHILDREN. YOU ARE LITERALLY HÍTLER.

I repeat.

Using the education system to implant political bias in young developing minds is a form of indocrtination. Educating people about the EU what it stands for what it does is fine, but to promote it positively instead of neutrally can be considered misleading. It's not too disimilar to a parent forcing their child to adopt their religion, I'm not trying to compare religion to the EU but it's the method that's similar. H1tler youth, cubs of the caliphate, children of the EU. 

Incase you missed it the first time.

[Murmillus_Prime]

Learning how to effectively learn is the most important skill tbh.
Then you can learn about taxes, loans and how a proper CV has to look like.

And I disagree with "it decides how your life goes" thing.
You decide how your life goes with the way you handle situations, yourself and your attitude, other people.

Besides, I am in Academia and 90% of the stuff in my studies doesn't fly into my brain by itself. I put hard work and many hours into it.
Whenever you wanna achieve something, guess what, you have to put work and time into it. Doesn't really matter if you like or not - if you want it, work for it.
It has never been different.

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Bill Gates has no academic degree or title. Just saying...

It shows, it really does.

[Murmillus_Prime]

Only mediocre poor people are limited by their education or lack thereof, Paul.

[Murmillus_Prime]

Fixed. Having a functional brain doesn't require you to sit for hours, listening to some blabbering that is more or less interesting. I'm going to know soon if I have my first university year in english, and god knows that the courses were a joke, it's more like general culture for the biggest part of it. Even if having a degree is gratifying, only you can decide if it was worth it, considering you can probably become someone in life even without a degree. The example I'd like to point out, was the gendarmerie sub-officer test whose I managed the written part "far" above the others (12, 13, and 17 out of 20 on the tests), with only my "poor" A grade.

NB: I think science degrees are simply more important (and far more useful) than poor useless english degrees, don't get me wrong.

Also to add as a low educated highschool dropout I currently work alongside people some with multiple college and university degrees. The people who get promoted in my workplace usually do so  not based on their academic knowledge and not through merit but by social and arse licking skills with a hint of bullshit thrown in. Infact there are some of those with the latter attributes posting in this very thread. O_O

[AntiBlitz]

Also to add as a low educated highschool dropout O_O

Its as if everything has become much clearer!

[SirCymro_Crusader]

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[Rhekimos]

I repeat.

Using the education system to implant political bias in young developing minds is a form of indocrtination. Educating people about the EU what it stands for what it does is fine, but to promote it positively instead of neutrally can be considered misleading. It's not too disimilar to a parent forcing their child to adopt their religion, I'm not trying to compare religion to the EU but it's the method that's similar. H1tler youth, cubs of the caliphate, children of the EU. 

Incase you missed it the first time.

I thought I talked about that very thing.

Maybe you could expand on what you mean if it looks like we're talking about different things? Perhaps tell an anecdote or example and then on what moral principle it was wrong of the school or the person. This often helps in understanding or at least seeing where we disagree.

Because as it stands, it seems to me that you are saying that the EU must not be shown in a positive light in a school environment. It would be wrong to do so, because..? It would be misleading? They would have to be lying to say that EU has done more good than harm?

If someone claims that there are absolutely no downsides to EU they would be in the wrong of course. Every agreement with more than one person is a compromise. And there's a lot of people in the EU.

[Grytviken]

EU has the potential to become strong country, but it is full of cucks and will never become superpower.

As the founders of modern civilization everywhere the UK has colonized has basically turned into gold, seems like they are slowly being dragged down by the EU cucks though.

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[Molly]

It shows, it really does.

If this means it differentiates me from you, I take it as a compliment.
Cheers...

[Angantyr]

EU cucks

White Americans also have a rich history of cuckoldry, regrettably. It would be a bad end game for Europe to end up with a multi-ethnic society based off America's.

[Butan]

It would be a bad end game for Europe to end up with a multi-ethnic society based off America's.

USA has had to deal with the problems Europe barely had to yet, and its doing arguably not too badly.

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

Degrees no longer carry the weight that they used too. In the UK unless you study a 'specialised' degree, such as Medicine, Law etc you will find it difficult to find a job immediately after uni. It's expected of students to find a job 6months after leaving uni, however the percentage rate for the amount of students that successfully do that aren't as high as they used to be. In the UK experience is what fills the job market, if you don't have experience but have a degree you will find it hard to go straight into a job, even more so if its in line with what you studied in some cases. If you have experience and no degree, experience carries more weight in a vast amount of job sectors than that of degrees.

Luckily I worked full time before i went to uni so i've got experience and (hopefully) very soon a good degree, yet the job i'm entering doesn't require either. But experience will help much more than a degree in the long term. The only reason I got a degree was for job security, yet even that's not the safest bet anymore in the UK market. The entire system has been flawed for several years now, but it's what people have got to work with.

I'd agree with this. There's too much focus in UK schools for kids to go to university to study anything they can so we get people studying random crap until they're 23 giving them potentially less chance of getting a job because they've spent 4 years not getting experience and not getting a useful degree. A friend of mine did media studies and got a master's degree in it, took him 2 years to find a job as a junior web developer which he basically learnt how to do himself during his unemployment.

There needs to be less people going to university to study unless it's something specialized like accountancy, medicine or architecture or whatever and in turn there shouldn't be jobs asking for any degree which a lot of governmental jobs do. Hey, you got a degree in interpretive dance? Sure you can apply to be an intelligence officer for Mi6...

[Angantyr]

USA has had to deal with the problems Europe barely had to yet, and its doing arguably not too badly.

My point being that white guilt and other forms of cultural masochism is a general western, post-colonial problem, not only European, and that America in light of its not too distant history of slavery and racial segregation (and wars around the globe more recently) suffers a lot for this in society as a whole. As does Germany from WWII, or the British or the French for their vast empires, or any of the former colonial or imperial powers (only in the west though, Turkey for example is exempt), even if ethnically European cultures were the first in history to ban slavery or even begin thinking about enforcing universalist principles like basic human rights. Historically, many of the colonies didn't just suffer but also benefited, it was not all Belgian Congo, and certainly the world has benefited from western ideas immensely since, including the people crying white privilege at every opportunity.

And that's of course only if we accept the premise that past sins of a small minority of our ancestors have anything to do with us today, which of course is nonsense and shouldn't be acceptable to anyone, even the most fanatical SJW would be hard-pressed to find anyone from any culture who hasn't had oppressors in their family line if you go back far enough. It's a human condition and 'white people' were just better equipped to winning wars than anyone else in the last few centuries.