Jan Böhmermann faces imprisonment for insulting Tardogan?

[Xant]

It's available to any one who wishes to look.

= you don't know, OK.

Assuming there really is a vast worldwide conspiracy that manipulated the number of deaths which were reported to have occured during the Holocaust in some way

why do you care? What bearing does that have on your life?

I don't really care, and very little. It's just history like anything else, but somewhat more interesting because of the taboos around it.

“Master,” Malowebi once asked, “what is the path to truth?”
 “Ah, little Malo,” old Zabwiri had replied, “the answer is not so difficult as you think. The trick is to learn how to pick out fools. Look for those who think things simple, who abhor uncertainty, and who are incapable of setting aside their summary judgment. And above all, look for those who believe flattering things. They are the true path to wisdom. For the claims they find the most absurd or offensive will be the ones most worthy of your attention.”

[SixThumbs]

Didn't the community drive away Tovi(?) and someone else for making conspiratorial type claims with the whole UKR thing?

This is going to be like the whole Snowden thing, with so many alleged documents it's not feasible to trawl through all of them, lots of nice talking points and then everyone goes back to whatever it was they were doing before.

Edit: I thought this was the Panama Papers thread.

[Turkhammer]

= you don't know, OK.

Yes I do, and so do you.  You just like your sophistry.

[Xant]

Yes I do, and so do you.  You just like your sophistry.

Answer the question, then. Should be easy?

[Turkhammer]

Answer the question, then. Should be easy?

I'm not doing your grunt work for you.  (hint, start with the Nuremberg Trials and the Wannsee Conference)

It's not rocket science.  Take the number of Jews in Nat-zi occupied territories to begin with (relatively easy with census figures).  Subtract those left at the end of the war, accounting for those escaping to other countries during and after the war.  This is a very acceptable estimate of those consumed by the final solution.

[Xant]

I'm not doing your grunt work for you.  (hint, start with the Nuremberg Trials and the Wannsee Conference)

It's not rocket science.  Take the number of Jews in Nat-zi occupied territories to begin with (relatively easy with census figures).  Subtract those left at the end of the war, accounting for those escaping to other countries during and after the war.  This is a very acceptable estimate of those consumed by the final solution.

It's way more complicated than that, as you'd know if you had done more research.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

Is xant trolling again or actually that stupid?

[Xant]

Is xant trolling again or actually that stupid?

“Master,” Malowebi once asked, “what is the path to truth?”
 “Ah, little Malo,” old Zabwiri had replied, “the answer is not so difficult as you think. The trick is to learn how to pick out fools. Look for those who think things simple, who abhor uncertainty, and who are incapable of setting aside their summary judgment. And above all, look for those who believe flattering things. They are the true path to wisdom. For the claims they find the most absurd or offensive will be the ones most worthy of your attention.”

[Kafein]

"homicidal chocolate chip cookie gas chambers" is my new favorite chain of words.

[Angantyr]

Xant is right in saying it's complicated, it's very muddled also for experts, the figures alone, like overall deaths during the war (fluctuating between 50 and 80 million in most estimates) are not clear at all. Holding most population censuses against each other the usual numbers of casualties of the Holocaust range from 1 million to about 5, despite the often parroted 6 million figure.

[Falka]

In 1939 there was around 3 474 000 Jews in Poland. In 1945: 180-240 000. Who knows what happened with the rest of them...

[Westwood]

In 1939 there was around 3 474 000 Jews in Poland. In 1945: 180-240 000. Who knows what happened with the rest of them...

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[Xant]

Xant is right in saying it's complicated, it's very muddled also for experts, the figures alone, like overall deaths during the war (fluctuating between 50 and 80 million in most estimates) are not clear at all. Holding most population censuses against each other the usual numbers of casualties of the Holocaust range from 1 million to about 5, despite the often parroted 6 million figure.

"Natural causes" alone would have accounted for 500,000 Jews dead, according to one source. And then there's the fact that hundreds of thousands of civilians died due to the Allies bombing civilians. Things like these, among others, make reading population censuses far from an exact science. That's disregarding the fact that 1944 wasn't 2016; it was much easier to make mistakes, both intentional and otherwise, keeping count of people was a lot harder, etc.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

“Master,” Malowebi once asked, “what is the path to truth?”
 “Ah, little Malo,” old Zabwiri had replied, “the answer is not so difficult as you think. The trick is to learn how to pick out fools. Look for those who think things simple, who abhor uncertainty, and who are incapable of setting aside their summary judgment. And above all, look for those who believe flattering things. They are the true path to wisdom. For the claims they find the most absurd or offensive will be the ones most worthy of your attention.”

I don't know and don't care why you respond with some quotes from a novel.

The question for me is why you post links from this codoh-site? I mean every half-way educated and sane man should see it's an absurd non-scientific homepage with questionable goals. Do you real think it is interesting to read this? Or do you only mean to disturb people? I mean of course we can discuss magnitude and specific numbers of the holocaust, but why not just do it with real academic literature or even better historic sources?

[Falka]

we can discuss

But is it worth it?