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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #225 on: March 26, 2016, 12:57:28 am »
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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #226 on: March 26, 2016, 01:54:59 am »
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Very good debate.  So far I've only watched the first one.  I must say that I started out against the motion that Islam is a religion of peace and still had that opinion at the conclusion.
I agree. Douglas Murray in particular is a good speaker. And Majeed Nawaz has done some good work, and has just published a new book with Sam Harris 'Islam and the future of tolerance'.
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A few of Douglas' speeches and interviews if anyone is interested.

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Some other good IQ2 debates:

The West should get out of bed with the House of Saud


The U.S. Should Step Back From Its Relationship With Israel- Intelligence Squared U.S.

We Should Not Be Reluctant to Assert the Superiority of Western Values
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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #227 on: March 26, 2016, 02:00:14 am »
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You should if you're discussing free will without defining it. If you're not defining it, then common sense dictates you're using the definition that's in all the dictionaries. It's like if I was talking about which dog is the best dog when discussing my favorite wine, and then saying I don't care what the dictionary claims a dog is. You can use the word "dog" when talking about wines for all I care, but you'll have to define it first or I'm going to think you're talking about dogs, since you're using the English language to communicate.

My whole point is that however you happen to define it (rigorously, i.e. not in your typical dictionary), you're going to have problems with that definition, rendering the word ultimately useless.

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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #228 on: March 26, 2016, 02:52:33 am »
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My whole point is that however you happen to define it (rigorously, i.e. not in your typical dictionary), you're going to have problems with that definition, rendering the word ultimately useless.
No, you're not. See the quote from Yudkowsky.
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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #229 on: March 26, 2016, 03:03:19 am »
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A mouse isn't a horse just because it's born in a stable  :wink:

That's always true for they re 2 different species; however in considering someone turkish or german the place where you're born, the culture that you absorb, the people you live and grow with, they can mold your nationality, regardless of your race.
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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #230 on: March 26, 2016, 03:58:45 am »
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That's always true for they re 2 different species; however in considering someone turkish or german the place where you're born, the culture that you absorb, the people you live and grow with, they can mold your nationality, regardless of your race.
Race = species
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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #231 on: March 26, 2016, 08:29:55 am »
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A mouse isn't a horse just because it's born in a stable  :wink:
You're trying too hard, sorry for hurting your feelings poor little guy but i'm not a Turk :cry:

That's always true for they re 2 different species; however in considering someone turkish or german the place where you're born, the culture that you absorb, the people you live and grow with, they can mold your nationality, regardless of your race.
They're not different species, two different species can't reprocude.

Race = species
No, it's not. Different races can produce offspring.
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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #232 on: March 26, 2016, 10:26:33 am »
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Race = species

No


They're not different species, two different species can't reprocude.


Yes sorry, don't know until which biology hierarchy class two living being can reproduce but you get what i meant
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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #233 on: March 26, 2016, 11:13:50 am »
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A mouse isn't a horse just because it's born in a stable  :wink:

Pulled this one in ninth grade once when i had a small argument with my teacher, she went quiet and said "hmm" and then went to start the class. Funny but not sure the argument can be applied to humans.
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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #234 on: March 26, 2016, 11:31:51 am »
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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #236 on: March 26, 2016, 12:19:11 pm »
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_%28biology%29

This whole thing is especially a mess when you come from germany. Here race is only used when you speak of race-theories from the early 20th century, on every other occasion you speak of ethnicity.

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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #237 on: March 26, 2016, 12:35:43 pm »
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This whole thing is especially a mess when you come from germany. Here race is only used when you speak of race-theories from the early 20th century, on every other occasion you speak of ethnicity.

doesnt that sort of make sense when germany is filled with majority germans?

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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #238 on: March 26, 2016, 01:38:00 pm »
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 Here’s What a Man Who Studied Every Suicide Attack in the World Says About ISIS’ Motives
http://www.thenation.com/article/heres-what-a-man-who-studied-every-suicide-attack-in-the-world-says-about-isiss-motives/

" What 95 percent of all suicide attacks have in common, since 1980, is not religion, but a specific strategic motivation to respond to a military intervention, often specifically a military occupation, of territory that the terrorists view as their homeland or prize greatly."

 As University of Michigan historian Juan Cole put it after the Charlie Hebdo attacks, “The problem for a terrorist group like Al Qaeda is that its recruitment pool is Muslims, but most Muslims are not interested in terrorism. Most Muslims are not even interested in politics, much less political Islam.” In Cole’s formulation, if violent Islamic fundamentalists “can get non-Muslim French to be beastly to ethnic Muslims on the grounds that they are Muslims, it can start creating a common political identity around grievance against discrimination.”
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Re: religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport
« Reply #239 on: March 26, 2016, 04:37:50 pm »
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No, it's not. Different races can produce offspring.
They literally can.
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