religion of peace followers spreading love at brussels airport

[GRANDMOM]

graph is good, but it doesn't show what everybody now wants to see

Nope, since it doesnt match their fears

[DKNhz]

You guys are retarded i must say, not you all but most.

Have you ever heard of Sendero Luminoso, Aum Shinrikyo, Tamil Eelam, Eta, FARC and so on ? Tamil had catholic leadership and killed 23.5K officer and tens of thousands of civilians.

Those are not global, yes. Maybe because they are not invaded by 48 countries and they don't feel like they have to avenge the destruction caused by the "Westerners".

1.3 million ppl died in Iraq, coalition left 870.000 orphans behind. Rape, oppression, torture. Every piece of that land was fucked up by those invaders. Then they crowned a Kurdish puppet on a Arab country. Oppression never end. What did you expect to get in return ? Because that's how you get ISIS.

Terror is not something related with any religion, your first step against the terrorism must start from there.

Taliban was a freedom fighter when they were fighting against the Soviet invaders, then they became terrorists when they fight against Western invaders. Fuck off.

PKK have listed as terrorist organization by NATO, U.S, European Union, and Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Canada, Germany, Iran, Japan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Spain, Syria individually.

So, how you will explain this shit in the middle of Brussels right before the bombings;

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Is it OK to support a terrorist organization freely if they don't bomb you but the others ? This is not how you fight against terrorism, two-faced pricks.

Wake the fuck up ppl, either WE ALL fight against terrorism TOGETHER on a global scale, or this will never end. You can die while taking a bus to your home at any time, so do i. You need to realise that we as the humanity are all in the same boat.

[Beauchamp]

Nope, since it doesnt match their fears

What I meant is... the graph doesnt show MUSLIMS, so I took a job and made my own graph showing what I think people REALLY want to see. The data is from WIKI and it took me 2 hours to make (I started to do it yesterday) - you can like it on imgur if you want to

there are some minor details (like where to put lunatics etc... did include them into others/ultra left right category), Libyans bombing Pan Am are among muslims, though its not related to religion directly, but used the same "methodology" - plane bombing - typical for muslim terrorism. (otherwise you can remove 270 lockerbie victims and move them to separate category).

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[Beauchamp]

Again doesn't fit the current narrative, because it shows that Islamic terrorism isn't this new terrifying thing, and it shows that the attacks are less common and less deadly than say... between 1985 & 1990 if you were to compare that to the last 5 years. Pffff, nobody would buy newspapers if these stats were on the front page.


- Unrelated note, the orange/green/white combo on that table makes me think of the Irish flag. Somehow that's appropriate. A flat decrease across the board with IRA, ETA and Other extreme political party attacks almost disappearing this decade, and Islamic attacks increasing and peaking between 1988-1990, and decreasing since but still very much an issue.

i was notified of a mistake (didn't include munich to muslims ) so i fixed the graph.

i'm not sure if it doesn't fit the narrative - because on the other hand you can say that muslims being still such a small minority in the eu can still make quite a huge mess.

[GRANDMOM]

i was notified of a mistake (didn't include munich to muslims ) so i fixed the graph.

i'm not sure if it doesn't fit the narrative - because on the other hand you can say that muslims being still such a small minority in the eu can still make quite a huge mess.

A small minority??? But I heard they are taking over europe???? 

[Kafein]

You guys are retarded i must say, not you all but most.

This sounds a bit too close to trolling but I'll bite.

Have you ever heard of Sendero Luminoso, Aum Shinrikyo, Tamil Eelam, Eta, FARC and so on ? Tamil had catholic leadership and killed 23.5K officer and tens of thousands of civilians.

How is that relevant? Some other religiously-motivated groups are violent because of their religious beliefs, did anybody here say anything to the contrary?

Those are not global, yes. Maybe because they are not invaded by 48 countries and they don't feel like they have to avenge the destruction caused by the "Westerners".

Oh poor Arabs, evil Westerners are causing them to suicide bomb in Brussels.

1.3 million ppl died in Iraq, coalition left 870.000 orphans behind. Rape, oppression, torture. Every piece of that land was fucked up by those invaders. Then they crowned a Kurdish puppet on a Arab country. Oppression never end. What did you expect to get in return ? Because that's how you get ISIS.

I wonder how many of those 1.3 million did Josh Homme kill personally. I don't know what we could expect? Maybe something along the lines of post-ww2 Germany? Or was the utter destruction of a whole country and its splitting into meaningless blocs completely different? Who the hell are these invaders you are talking about? The ones that left after Iraq elected a government representative of the majority of the population?

Terror is not something related with any religion, your first step against the terrorism must start from there.

Is it though? Is it so surprising that a religion that preaches violence and death at every corner has violent followers and a martyr culture?

Taliban was a freedom fighter when they were fighting against the Soviet invaders, then they became terrorists when they fight against Western invaders. Fuck off.

Geopolitics. The US tried to use them to counter SU involvement in the region, which was a bigger enemy at the time.

PKK have listed as terrorist organization by NATO, U.S, European Union, and Australia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Canada, Germany, Iran, Japan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Spain, Syria individually.

Except out of these, only Turkey acts as if Kurds are untermensch. I wouldn't know about Kyrgyzstan, Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan and I suppose their attitude is on sale, but I'm pretty sure all the others would recognize an independent Kurdistan.

So, how you will explain this shit in the middle of Brussels right before the bombings;

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Is it OK to support a terrorist organization freely if they don't bomb you but the others ? This is not how you fight against terrorism, two-faced pricks.

Actually, supporting Kurdish independence isn't the same as supporting the Kurdish terror attacks in Turkey.

Wake the fuck up ppl, either WE ALL fight against terrorism TOGETHER on a global scale, or this will never end. You can die while taking a bus to your home at any time, so do i. You need to realise that we as the humanity are all in the same boat.

No, not really. Me and you are being targeted by lunatics because of our *way of life* and bullshit pseudo-historical reasons.

[Overdriven]

Geopolitics. The US tried to use them to counter SU involvement in the region, which was a bigger enemy at the time.

Just one in a long line of fuck ups.

I've recently read a few books regarding the British invasions of Afghanistan in the 1800's. Same concept. At the time it was feared that the Russian Empire was steadily taking over central Asia through a string of strong alliances with the view for eventually invading India (we now know that were no plans of this kind at all). Despite strong diplomatic ties with Afghanistan the East India Company decided it would be a grand idea to invade and put a puppet King in charge in order to gain a buffer against Russian influence. Little did they know that Afghanistan (at the time also encompassed much of Pakistan) had extremely strong tribal ties and putting a King who wasn't respected would lead to all out rebellion. Inevitably it did, the British army in Afghanistan was completely wiped out and that paved the way for the sepoy rebellion in 1857.

The sepoy rebellion also involved some of the first major cases of extreme Islamic groups hijacking a movement for their own purposes in an very violent manner and the splinter groups that followed and those that fled the region are often attributed to the eventual rise of the Taliban in Afghanistan.

It has strong parallels with the situation over there in the past decade. Once again the West completely misunderstood Afghan politics and led with a very short sighted policy against a threat that was never really there. In part because of a lack of awareness of the harshness of the terrain, the immense complexity of Afghan tribal politics and the potential strength of the Taliban. They also tried to setup a very weak leader to head the new Government.

The sad part is that prior to the mid 1800's when all of this really started to kick off in what now seems an endless cycle, Afghanistan was one of the central hubs of trade in the region and very wealthy with an expanding and growing influence. It's now one of the poorest countries in the world. Almost entirely due to the failed policies of the West.

I could go into a lot more details about failed diplomacy, advisers giving global leaders poor intelligence for their own gains (despite intelligence from within the country itself usually completely going against what the leaders were told) and other parallels. It's a cheesy line but sometimes the West really does need to learn from history to avoid repeat mistakes because some of them are so blindingly obvious when you look back at what has happened before.

[Kafein]

Mistakes were made everywhere. I suppose you know about WW1 history right?

[Overdriven]

Of course. But world leaders in particular continue to ignore past mistakes to further there own agendas and inevitably end up fucking up even worse. And then we end up discussing shit like this.

Just because mistake have been made everywhere doesn't make them excusable.

There are so many obvious lessons in history and yet the same mistakes are made again and again by those in power. It's sad.

Heck sometimes it would make more sense just to stay the fuck out. Afghanistan is a prime example of that whenever the West has ever gotten involved there.

[Kafein]

I think that's just human nature. Besides, even knowing what the "mistakes" of the past were, one does not necessarily have the best intentions.

[Leshma]

Oberyn incantation spell

This is some good shit, could work.

[Overdriven]

I think that's just human nature. Besides, even knowing what the "mistakes" of the past were, one does not necessarily have the best intentions.

Of course not. And that I think undercuts much of the US led involvement in the Middle-East and Central Asia. There were never any good intentions, just false pretext and smoke and mirrors for a greater agenda, whether it be stopping the rise of communism, oil or whatever.

It's just remarkable when everything goes to shit and then people sound surprised. Like 'o we funded ultra extremist groups, invaded the country they were occupying and now they're attacking us? How could they? They must be evil!'

Of course much of that is propagated by the media and Governments to cover their own fuck ups.

Fuck it the world is messed up and people in general are just shits.

/end discussion

[Christo]

12 pages
nice

[Harpag]

I think that all knows that we all need reinforce cops and special forces, rescue Schengen, seal the external EU borders, thwart Brexit, divide current refugees, enforce peace in the Middle East and North Africa, help Greeks get out of debt, start a serious association talks with Turkey and Ukraine, intensify cooperation with US and Russia, and do many other reasonable things like a common army and foreign policy, a new awesome space telescope and powerful particle accelerator.... but local politicians give a shit and care only about current result while media only about viewership...

EU ideals are wonderful, but we begin to forget about them because for a long time there was any serious wars... I hope Islamic extremist will refresh our memory, I just regret killed and injured.

[Leshma]

In general I do agree with you, but I think it's important to forgive, but not forget.

Your inner choirboy shows up

After 30 years of this miserable thing we call life, I would say completely opposite just like what Beauchamp said. Forget but do not forgive. Why torture yourself with knowledge that someone did something horrible to your ancestors when you can forget it? Like forgiving them will do your well being a bunch of good. Well nope, Jesus was wrong. Humans do not feel good when they forgive something because that just adds anger to subconscious you're trying to channel (impossible) which leads to stress and ultimately cancer. We feel the best when we act naturally, act violent when threatened. No stress, no cancer. Just look at them bad boy nazi soldiers who died in ripe age of 100 years old.

Muslims among bunch of bullshit, got something right. Just like Jews. Eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Fuck Christian forgiveness bullshit. Yes it causes wars, but despite those wars they produce humans in greater quantity than peaceful, forgiving Europe. They will certainly survive, question will European culture survive? They just like Chinese and Hindu know the truth, human life is worthless. Just pop em up and multiply, just like insects. There is nothing glorious about any of us, it is all illusion. If Kafein was about to became a victim to these attacks few days ago, after traditional custom of mourning no one would care. No matter how important he may be during his life, when he dies he's forgotten. People just pretend they care about historical figures, but only when their work reminds them. But no one gives a fuck about what kind of people they were.

So yeah, try to forget. It's the easier way. You'll remember soon enough when threatened again and won't be burdened with "but ah forgave" bullshit and will just protect yourself and won't need to go through another ritual of "forgiving".