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First thread happened when I wasn't an admin, 2nd when I was only a trial admin - not much I could do, besides back then the global admins were active and so were the Devs, and usually they handled this stuff.
They're absent now, so we have to talk about this stuff together and decide what to do. I can't really answer you why those things weren't removed, I guess only recently the consensus changed in favour of removing this stuff, maybe since community is a lot smaller and it makes a bigger difference is 5 or so people use the cheat when playing in a server of 40-50 people compared to 100 people.
Also, back then, there were hopes that Devs would add some white-listing mechanic or some sort of file-check, so people in favour of using such mods were probably aware that they wouldn't be allowed to exist much longer and didn't scream bloody ban for the people sharing it, but that is just my guess))
I hope they didn't noticed that you're polestronk cuz they can think you're trying to be suspiciously objective lol
Serious part:
Uthyr, I have a question. Can you get an idea of what's going on with lags (half of our players have a problem with sync - ping ok but we lose packets) Can you ( admins, not devs ) do a reset or something?
I also have a question for devs. Can you reconsider tics from Strategus? Mod is olddead so why not?
It's important for us - recently hardly anyone has time for cRPG, but most of us are eager to participate in stat. More XP for reviving would also be welcome.
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Is there a way to color only the arrows?
Nice, gief links!
Of course they know I'm stronk polan)
I have the same lag issues and no idea what causes them, and I'm not sure if anyone besides Dupre has any power in touching the servers, and even Dupre may have to contact the devs anyway.
I've had the lag for a very long time now, used to have 35 ping, nowadays norm is 55
Uthyr, interesting ideas, but Native arrows are a lot wider and a lot easier to see then regular crpg arrows, and if u say green arrows give advantage then those do too. Should be all or nothing.
Hm and i don't follow the logic, you said its not against the rules to use them, then why is it against the rules to share them, because that one u just made up for this special case. Because i haven't seen such rule.
People discuss this mods on forums, post screenshoots, how would pandor guess that there is a rule that no one ever talked about.
we found at list 3-4 ppl in this thread to ban, for the same thing.
Don't get me wrong, i would be up for forced remove of all mods! all! The problem i have is with fairness of the situation. Either all should be banned for it, or none. U can't just pick a guy and ban him like that. Of course u wouldn't do that to ur buddies or other players u know for ages, u'd probably give them warning or just laugh about it.
I don't follow the ban threads but was there anyone banned before for doing something that wasn't included in server rules?
After admin BlackBow on eu1 explaining to me for an hour why he hates all russians and that they should fuck off the server and insulting us on regular basis. I have hard time to believe in admins judgement. He is obviously not the only one doing that, but he is admin. If people like him decide on who to ban, then i'm worried.
I said it's not against the rules to use them because we have physically no means of controlling and viewing it when someone uses them or not, unless a file check would be added, but that is unlikely. The only deterrent we have is to prohibit sharing it, so as few people use it as possible. Sadly that's the reality, there is hardly a point in making a rule that we cannot enforce, that law is void then.
It's like "Children have to obey their parents", an universal and unwritten rule, but no one controls it. So what happens? Those who don't follow the rule are usually looked down upon and generally aren't liked - society deals out the punishment, same as it is here - people agree, in general (as seen in threads linked by Vovka), that users who use the coloured items, transparent buildings etc. are wankers. Sadly, in game, players rarely care what others think about them))
And I don't think you can use the same argument for native arrows, which you can argue are used for their visuals or because they were used in Native and since don't qualify as something made specificaly to simplify the game. It is of course debatable, but that's just my point of view.
Banned without breaking a rule - Clockworkkiller was permabanned (? or just perma muted on forums) for spoiling a very big story point in some movie or TV series, I don't remember which one.
Wayyyne was permamuted for posting some weird shit
Someone else was also banned for spoiling some TV show, again not sure if in-game or just forum mute.
Regarding Blackbow, individual admin opinions don't reflect the admin team's position on certain issues
If your common sense is not working, here are some more specific guidelines. This is not an explicit list, common sense always overrides disputes. Do not come crying "it's not prohibited in the rules" if you invent a new creative way to be an idiot and get punished.
If it's a cheat then he should be banned for cheating (perhaps in addition to sharing it). If it isn't a cheat than he shouldn't be banned for sharing it. The real problem is there is no detection system in place for what exactly is modified in a persons file. In this case you can use a "common sense" and ban him for cheating at some point in time or a "legal sense" and say you can't ban him because you can't prove he's still cheating.
This whole "He should only be banned for sharing the cheat and not using it" is frankly ridiculous. Common sense would dictate you ban him for cheating and for sharing it. Then again common sense is only a catch all phrase in this community so the admins and devs can change the rules retroactively when things they did not foresee come up. Which is a fine thing to do actually, just wished you didn't call it common sense, cause as we can clearly see from this debacle it's anything but common or sensical.
Common sense dictates he was banned for sharing a cheat in the first place. To be pedantic and technical, yes, this isn't exactly sensical in the usual meaning of the word, and falls under some boopitty dabbitty interpretation of the "Common Sense" rule, which I have to stick to untill we come up with a specific rule for that.
So yes, we have proof from the user that he used the cheat. And that he shared it. He was lashed at for using it, was told to remove it, and eventually got banned. He was banned MAINLY for sharing it, and to some extent for using it, at some point in time, because as you said, it's not a thing we can control and check anytime as we please.
