"Cologne sex attacks"

[Angantyr]

You have that many public service channels co-founded by all federal states in Germany? ZDF isn't the biggest one? Did the others report normally? Genuinely curious, I know little about public service channels outside Denmark and C-Span in the US.

[Molly]

We have 2 major ones. ARD and ZDF. Those major ones split into more regional stations, every federal state having one.
Dunno but afaik only ZDF got shit for not reporting.
And hesitance is not a bad thing when even official Police statements are questionable.
Nearly all of them reported from a high number of "non-Germans" right from the get go tho.

Edit: great - now I skipped a round on the server thanks to you... pfft.

[Angantyr]

Well, hesitation is hardly a common trait of media, and self-censorship is certainly argued now, both for the police and the ZDF, if this was the case or not.

[Molly]

What is better? Being hesitant to report rumours and unconfirmed stuff coming from eye witnesses you can't interview yourself, all the while doubting the press comments from official places, and simply hoping you'll find something trustworthy the next day? Or simply report stuff that "FluffyCat" reported over her Twitter account?

I know what I prefer.

[Miwiw]

2nd. Because in the end it was right as well.

[Molly]

2nd. Because in the end it was right as well.

Already figured you'd go that route. Not surprised.

[Angantyr]

Doing journalism on the ground, finding sources, fact-checking, following up on leads - not reporting on something as major as this and involving this many people, both perpetrators and victims, before five days later. Seems to have taken a lot longer than usual, unless ZDF always operate this incredibly meticulously (their apology seems to suggest otherwise). Smells of bureaucracy and politics to many, especially considering both the police and justice minister's early public comments.

Equally discomforting, is the fact that there's a police chief suspended not only for dereliction of duty as I first thought, but on allegations of a cover-up.

[Tibe]

I agree with that turkish guy that made the "fuck you eu-s" thread once. We should totally be crusading. Just because the Pope didnt declare it, doesnt really mean anything. He didnt exactly say that we cant crusade. I mean, they cant really say shit if kicking them out of Europe is part of your crusade. I mean, if they reserve themselves the right to play dumb, we should reserve ourselves that too.

> "Why are you doing this?"
> "God wills it!"
> "But Merkel invited me"
> "Merkel is not the pope, god wills it"

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[Laufknoten]

What is better? Being hesitant to report rumours and unconfirmed stuff coming from eye witnesses you can't interview yourself, all the while doubting the press comments from official places, and simply hoping you'll find something trustworthy the next day? Or simply report stuff that "FluffyCat" reported over her Twitter account?

I know what I prefer.

I remind you of the stabbing of refugee not long ago. Just hours after it happened the media was all over it saying it was probably done by a neochocolate chip cookie or right winger (and they even blamed the police for not doing their work properly) even though there was nothing to proof it. This kept on for days and weeks until they found out that another refugee stabbed him to death because of some petty dispute. Well after that came out the whole thing went awfully quite...

[Miwiw]

his kept on for days and weeks until they found out that another refugee stabbed him to death because of some petty dispute. Well after that came out the whole thing went awfully quite...

It wasn't even a surprise for anyone.

[Xant]

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That's the low IQ take on it, yes, and I can see why someone whose powers of observation only go so far would come to that conclusion. Someone capable of abstract thinking would realize it's the exact opposite, however, and that calling Spanish "white" serves no purpose and has no usefulness unless you're deciding who to throw into the ovens.

[[ptx]]

Except for, you know, the fact that Spanish people are white people. Just like Iranians. Hating on ME people is bigotry, just not racism.

[Tibe]

Another trainwreck thread. It is beautiful how we got from Cologne to discussing the level of whiteness. 

[Falka]

portuguese/spanish people

Calling them white is ridiculous. They're as white as Iranians.

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Calling them white is ridiculous, you say... Okay I guess