Jose Aldo vs Conor McGregor - Dezember 12th

[LordBerenger]

Proof of Fedor's great cyka blyat vodka striking even at the end of his prime.

[Xant]

It had everything to do with it, as well as the things you have mentioned in your second sentence.

No, you're not seeing the forest from the trees if you think so. Why do you think Mirko looked so timid? Because he was afraid of Fedor's unorthodox stand up? ...

[LordBerenger]

As much as I dislike McGregor. If I had the choice of choosing between a guaranteed win for Aldo to KO the Irish leprechaun or Overeem to KO/Sub/Win by decision against JDS and go on to become number 1 contender for the HW title I'd go for Overeem. Imagine Overeem winning the HW title. Former Strikeforce HW champ, former Dream HW champ, former K-1 Grand Pride winner and then UFC HW Champ. Alsooooooooooo

[Ujin]

Yup. A whole new ball game. The current hws are ten times more technical and versatile than in Fedor's prime.

Oh my, haven't seen this one earlier. I really wanted to stop arguing with you in this thread, but i just can't let this one slip by. Now, let's see.

This is the UFC top 15 at the moment:
Champ- Fabricio Werdum - love this guy, great IQ, he's the best grappler in the division and Rafael Cordeiro turned him into a great MT striker- him vs prime Fedor would be a treat to watch
1    Cain Velasquez   -  pressure wrestler, good boxing, great cardio (except the last Werdum fight), tough fight
2    Junior Dos Santos - good TDD, great boxing and power, bad fight IQ, tough fight, but prime Fedor can pressure as well as Cain
3    Stipe Miocic - he got KTFO by Stefan Struve lol. In any case, he's got better since then, good boxing and wrestling, nothing spectacular though.
4    Andrei Arlovski - i love this guy, but he's a glass cannon and he knows it. Already KTFO by brawler version Fedor
5    Travis Browne - lol, this guy gets destroyed by anyone with at least semi-decent boxing. He's got athleticism and a chin, but that's about it.
6    Josh Barnett - he USED to be good, dunno where he stands now.
7    Mark Hunt - Fedor beat him ages ago. I love Hunto, he's a great kickboxer, but he's not getting any younger.
8    Ben Rothwell - Another guy that gets his wins mostly due to his power and chin. Don't even get me started on technique.
9    Alistair Overeem - Loses to people he shouldn't lose to, he's a good kickboxer with good submissions, but i believe he lacks the heart and chin.
10    Frank Mir - Watch his latest fight vs Arlovski lol. His boxing got better lately, but he's so washed up now it doesn't really matter.
11    Roy Nelson - His chin got cracked by Arlovski and Hunt and his uber right hand only lands on idiots with no striking defense.
12    Antonio Silva - Bigfoot without TRT is a sad sight. He was quite decent with it though.
13    Matt Mitrione - Another case of a decent athlete doing ok in MMA thanks to his physical attributes. No technique whatsoever.
14    Jared Rosholt - Wrestler turned MMA fighter. nothing to talk about here
15    Alexey Oliynyk - veteran who can brawl and scrap.


UFC HW division was always the weakest out of them all. The myth about all those "New breed fighters" who are oh so superior to the old dogs is just that - a myth. Actually, most of the guys in the HW division are over 30, even 35 years old and were fighting in Pride too, the other half is just big guys who decided to try MMA careers and are semi-succesful because the competition is lacking.
You're telling me a division where an almost 40years old flat-nosed Andrei Arlovski can make a comeback and run for a title is "10 times more technical and versatile than Fedors prime" ??! Lol , get outta here.

[Xant]

You did a good job proving my point. The fighters on that list are way more formidable than the fighters ten years ago in HW. It's also funny that "brawler Fedor" suddenly becomes a thing when it's obvious his stand up is crude and not technical. Why would he get less technical over time? He wouldn't. He was never technical, and it's just an excuse -- "oh, that doesn't count, because suddenly he decided he doesn't want to use techniques anymore."

[Ujin]

You did a good job proving my point. The fighters on that list are way more formidable than the fighters ten years ago in HW. It's also funny that "brawler Fedor" suddenly becomes a thing when it's obvious his stand up is crude and not technical. Why would he get less technical over time? He wouldn't. He was never technical, and it's just an excuse -- "oh, that doesn't count, because suddenly he decided he doesn't want to use techniques anymore."

You wish. Did you even read my post before continuing with your ignorance ? Most of these fighters are OLD, as in they were fighting almost in the same period when Fedor was fighting. The rest are just a bunch of big guys with some minor training, but nowhere near the "technical monsters of the new MMA ERA" you're trying to make them look. If you want to make a point of MMA gettting overall more complete fighters, look at the ww division and below, but not heavyweight.

Fedors decline was obvious to anyone who payed attention to the MMA game. Surrounding himself with "yes" men, orthodox priests, wife change etc, he gave up strength training and started relying solely on his hands and speed, what made him so good was the mix of standup + grappling and how well he transitioned to it.

So once again, to repeat myself - you're telling me a division where an almost 40years old flat-nosed Andrei Arlovski and where an old Mark Hunt  can make a comeback and be a solid top 10 and run for a title is "10 times more technical and versatile than Fedors prime" ??!

[Xant]

Yes. MMA is a martial art by itself now. It doesn't matter if the fighters are ~35, they're better trained than they were ten years ago. But no, you're right, having a flat nose means you can't fight. Such genius analysis.

[Ujin]

Yes. MMA is a martial art by itself now. It doesn't matter if the fighters are ~35, they're better trained than they were ten years ago. But no, you're right, having a flat nose means you can't fight. Such genius analysis.

What i meant by that is that he's almost punch drunk by now, ko'd  brutally (by Fedor too) several times, and HE IS NOT ANY BETTER than when he was a UFC hw champ years ago. What does that tell you? That the HW divisions top 10 outside of a couple of guys is pretty much stagnant in skill. It's not like he's any faster or he started throwing spinning hook kicks all of a sudden, or submitting people with gogoplatas.

Here's a video of Fedor's techniques btw, looping punches into clinch to judo throws/trips. I hope i'm not wasting my time here with you, I know you can't ever admit you're wrong, but at least learn something while trying to save face. While you're at it, also compare his physique in the later fights (Rogers, Henderson) to the earlier period, you can easily see he gave up a lot of strength training and it shows (don't mind the belly, it's always there).

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[Xant]

You don't understand you're talking past me because you don't understand what you're seeing in the fights.

[Butan]

Ujin stop, you're talking to Xant mate. Just stop.

[Grytviken]

I'd bet there is a dashcam video of him, slugging it out after a car crash somewhere in Russia

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[LordBerenger]

I prefer Kickboxing over Boxing. But MMA over both. Glory and old K1 has some good bouts.

[//saxon]

Does anyone know of a live stream that will be on tonight, preferably free of charge. I want to see if McGregor can take Aldo's leg kicks, though i am not certain he will land many.

[Soulreaver]

http://matchtv.ru/#live-player main card will be there with lot of viagra advertisment

[Grytviken]

I prefer Kickboxing over Boxing. But MMA over both. Glory and old K1 has some good bouts.

I like them all but you will not see the best strikers in MMA due to the nature of the rules, example not being allowed to knee during shoots and worse pay.