Religion of peace stabbing in London

[Macropus]

And that's exactly the problem, and why these attacks will continue. They don't criticize the religion, they protect it and create excuses for it when it's blatantly churning out terrorists under the same protection as reformed religions who do none of the same. A very small percentage of terrorists does not mean the dangerous rhetoric is not plentiful in all these mosques.

  A very very small percentage of people join the military, less than 1% of many nation's populations. A very small percentage of Muslims are terrorists, they are downplaying the blatantly obvious dangers of allowing this religion to be an open recruiting ground for terrorists everywhere. If less than 1% of all Muslims are terrorists that is still a huge number. 0.5% of all Muslims accepting extreme ideology = 7,500,000 potential terrorists, larger than the US or Russian Army.

The way I see it, Islam as well as other religions consists of many different things written down in that holy script or the other, a person being muslim doesn't nesessarily agree with all of them, and I'm sure most of them don't accept the dangerous rhetoric you're talking about, while they do defend their religion in general. But I'm not an expert in Islam nor any other religious stuff, so my opinion on that matter may not be valid.
Other than that, what you basically say is Islam can be dangerous for certain people, and I agree with that, but you can't very well make it illegal or something, so the only way out (from my sleepy point of view) is education and overall life quality improvement.

[Grytviken]

The way I see it, Islam as well as other religions consists of many different things written down in that holy script or the other, a person being muslim doesn't nesessarily agree with all of them, and I'm sure the majority of them don't accept the dangerous rhetoric you're talking about, while they do defend their religion in general. But I'm not an expert in Islam nor any other religious stuff, so my opinion on that matter may not be valid.
Other than that, what you basically say is Islam can be dangerous for certain people, and I agree with that, but you can't very well make it illegal or something, so the only way out (from my sleepy point of view) is education and overall life quality improvement.

  No but you can have a government that holds them accountable for their actions and lack of reform. There shouldn't be Shariah courts in Europe, there shouldn't be known-terrorist suspects preaching at mosques under the guise of freedom of religion etc. There is absolutely no order or structure to Islam once separation of state and religion is in effect, so there is none regulating what interpretation of Islam is being taught.

  Christian Churches have a hierarchy. Priests, bishops and upper hierarchy and a central authority figure and many organizations. Islam has no such structure, anyone can be elected Imam or appointed from an outside country's state authority, scholars and Sharia court judges are also communally appointed.

[Xant]

A couple days ago a 'lone wolf' terrorist attack in the states resulted in the gunning down of numerous innocent people, due to the fact that these weapons are much harder to acquire in the UK than in any US state this attack had only 3 victims and the perpetrator will face justice of law.

Yeah, completely ignore Paris, will you? Of course, classic apologist tactic, cherry pick your examples and pretend nothing else exists.

The terrorists in the US would have been more dangerous without firearms, they had over a dozen pipe bombs made and a bomb factory at home. Because they had access to guns they didn't use those. Pipe bombs are illegal in the US btw...

Considering the 2.7+ million Muslims in the UK I would say that the one knife crime incident that occurred which involved a recourse to the defence of Syrians or Islam is probably more to do with current events (syria bombing campaign / cali shooting / paris etc.) than being an 'actual' terrorist attack such as the 7/7 bombings.

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Here's another "isolated knife crime incident", already forgot about this one did you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lee_Rigby

Terrorist attacks that have to do with current events aren't terrorist attacks? What the fuck have you been smoking?

Oh, and let's talk about other isolated incidents:

2000 17 November: Police arrested Moinul Abedin. His Birmingham house contained bomb-making instructions, equipment, and traces of the explosive HTMD. A nearby lock-up rented by Abedin contained 100 kg of the chemical components of HTMD.[34]
2005 21 July: The 21 July 2005 London bombings, also conducted by four would-be suicide bombers on the public transport, whose bombs failed to detonate.
2006 28 September: Talbot Street bomb-making haul.
2007 1 February: Plot to behead a British Muslim soldier.
2007 29 June: London car bombs.
2008 27 February: British police thwarted a suspected plot to kill Abdullah of Saudi Arabia during a state visit to Britain in the year 2007 a senior officer said.
2012 June: Five Muslim extremists plotted to bomb an English Defence League rally in Dewsbury but arrived late and were arrested when returning to Birmingham. A sixth was also convicted.[35]
2013 April: As part of Operation Pitsford 11 Muslim extremists are jailed for a plotting terror attack involving suicide Bombers.[36]
2005 7 July: 7/7 central London bombings conducted by four separate Islamist extremist suicide bombers, which targeted civilians using the public transport system during the morning rush hour. Three bombs were detonated on three separate trains on the London Underground and one on a double-decker bus. 56 people were killed and 700 were injured. It was the UK's worst terrorist incident since the 1988 Lockerbie bombing and the first Islamist suicide attack in the country.
2007 January–February: Miles Cooper letter bomb campaign.
2007 30 June: Glasgow International Airport attack perpetrated by Islamist extremists.
2008 22 May: Exeter attempted bombing in a café toilet by an Islamist extremist, injuring only the perpetrator.

And going away from murders, here's some more Muslim enrichement in the UK:
http://theukdatabase.com/uk-child-abusers-named-and-shamed/muslim-paedo-rings-in-the-uk-why-how/

But no, of course, a single "knife crime incident", a completely isolated case 

[Butan]

There shouldn't be Shariah courts in Europe, there shouldn't be known-terrorist suspects preaching at mosques under the guise of freedom of religion etc.

There isnt?
If there is, its entirely due to incompetent/underfunded police. There is already plenty of laws that are ready to jail people preaching the wrong thing, its finding the culprits thats hard.

There is absolutely no order or structure to Islam once separation of state and religion is in effect, so there is none regulating what interpretation of Islam is being taught.

  Christian Churches have a hierarchy. Priests, bishops and upper hierarchy and a central authority figure and many organizations. Islam has no such structure, anyone can be elected Imam or appointed from an outside country's state authority, scholars and Sharia court judges are also communally appointed.

Many religions function the same as Islam, and have no problem whatsoever. Structure isnt the root of the problem, its how Islam is still unreformed and has its main bases in western-hating backward countries.

[Overdriven]

There isnt?
If there is, its entirely due to incompetent/underfunded police. There is already plenty of laws that are ready to jail people preaching the wrong thing, its finding the culprits thats hard.

Actually not strictly true. Look at the case of Abu Hamza in the UK. The UK had been trying to extradite him to the US to face charges for around a decade simply because the EU human rights courts wouldn't allow it.

This despite the UK courts ruling that he should be extradited. The problem is all these people have to do is run to the EU courts and it puts a block on anything your country can do. And then it costs millions in legal battles. The process took from 2007-2012 just in the EHCR which is ridiculous.

[pepejul]

Words of smartness are sugar for me.. thank you Casimir and Macropus !

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

Actually not strictly true. Look at the case of Abu Hamza in the UK. The UK had been trying to extradite him to the US to face charges for around a decade simply because the EU human rights courts wouldn't allow it.

This despite the UK courts ruling that he should be extradited. The problem is all these people have to do is run to the EU courts and it puts a block on anything your country can do. And then it costs millions in legal battles. The process took from 2007-2012 just in the EHCR which is ridiculous.

I mean fuck, that guy's got a hook hand as well. He's just the epitome of what a crazy person looks like. Why would it take that long to kick him the fuck out.

[Paul]

What's wrong with having a hook hand? Are you on fairy dust again?

[Sandersson Jankins]

Actually not strictly true. Look at the case of Abu Hamza in the UK. The UK had been trying to extradite him to the US to face charges for around a decade simply because the EU human rights courts wouldn't allow it.

This despite the UK courts ruling that he should be extradited. The problem is all these people have to do is run to the EU courts and it puts a block on anything your country can do. And then it costs millions in legal battles. The process took from 2007-2012 just in the EHCR which is ridiculous.

It might be my Dixieland sensibilities, but boy, the EU has the stench of an incompetent and unnecessary organization.  It would be different if a great need existed for military cooperation among mainland European nations, but NATO has the great threats quite deterred. At least for the time being.

[Molly]

It might be my Dixieland sensibilities, but boy, the EU has the stench of an incompetent and unnecessary organization.  It would be different if a great need existed for military cooperation among mainland European nations, but NATO has the great threats quite deterred. At least for the time being.

lol

[Butan]

I mean fuck, that guy's got a hook hand as well. He's just the epitome of what a crazy person looks like. Why would it take that long to kick him the fuck out.

He is serving his life time now; it took long, true.

[pepejul]

[Mr_Oujamaflip]

What's wrong with having a hook hand? Are you on fairy dust again?

You mean to tell me that this guy isn't the epitome of a loon?

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[Oberyn]

And now for ignorant who talk about POITIERS, just some informations :

https://quartierslibres.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/charles-martel-imposture-historique-et-mythe-fasciste/

It was not an "Islamic invasion", only few raids from spain-arabs. they started before and continue after Poitiers with no difference. Charles Martel didn't stop annexion or conquest, he just stopped few pirates who were looting big cities in Frankia and they still looted cities after that.

Only fascists and hainous nationalists use the reference of CHARLES MARTEL ou JEANNE D'ARC to feed their hate and fear from "oriental populations"...

My advice :

- learn history
- learn cultures
- love pple

Your fear and your anger will decrease proportionnaly to your knowledge... that is how human evolves. You're still primitive.

Holy shit you abhorently ignorant cunt. And you have the nerve to tell people to learn history. This is why people shit all over your personal life, because it is incredibly sad that you are a teacher, that you actually think you are knowleadgeable on these subjects when you clearly have substandard, superficial, 10th grade general level at most.

Are you really retarded enough to think the Ummayyads didn't try to conquer frankish territory over and over and over, as muslim armies did on every single border they had with infidels? The only miniscule point you have is that the battle under Charles Martel was indeed considered as minor in muslim chronicles. By that time their entire Caliphate was falling appart, the berber and bedouin overlords that treated the andalusians as second class slaves were too busy destroying their own territories in fraticidal conflicts and paving the way for the Reconquista. The army they sent was mostly a large raiding party.
The big attempt at annexation came in the 700's, and it was Odo of Aquitaine who stopped them at the battle of Toulouse. This is when the tide of muslim conquest in western Europe was really turned, and it is sad that it is mostly ignored in western history, mostly due to propaganda by Charlemagne who had been attempting to annex Aquitaine for his own, for very obvious reasons. In the muslim chronicles however it is a very well known event, remembered for hundreds of years afterwards as The Field of Martyrs.

So in conclusion, learn history, learn cultures. I fear for the poor children who are your students.

[Oberyn]

Actual Spain is magnificient BECAUZE of the islamic culture period too....

This is Cordoba :
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It was a mosquee... The islamic sattes in spain were as lovable as catholic states of Europe...

Just learn some history and stop thinking you are the center of the world...

The ennemy is violence and hate, the evil is ALL RELIGIONS, not culture or pepole.

No, the only reason Spain even exists as an entity is because of the Reconquista, in fact it's entire existence was defined by it's struggle for hundreds of years against the hostile, invading forces of Islam. Shit, I don't even have enough left in me to explain how incredibly stupid and ignorant your reasoning is. Just crack open a history book, preferably something not designed for the 10 year olds you teach.