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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2015, 03:19:49 pm »
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Congrats, that's exactly how I started my road  to "extremism", as you characterize it. Where do you think SJW's come from, exactly? You think the source is Tumblr and other internet circlejerking echo chambers? They are merely a symptom, one that is becoming more and more visible thanks to increasingly widespread worldwide communication. My extreme loathing for these people and their sacharine idiocy didn't come from some sort of nationalist indoctrination, quite the contrary. It came from constant exposure to them and their source in academia, the source of the disease that is killing western civilization, the suicidaly self-loathing crypto-marxists who poisoned western liberal thought beyond redemption. If you had any self-awareness you would realize SJW thoughts are just the logical end result of the "progressive", anti-nationalist, pro-globalization, so-called "humanist" ideology you still adhere to. You're no better than the "moderate" islamists making excuses and pretending the deeply imbedded pillars of your ideology are completely blameless for these embarassements, as if there were absolutely no connecting thread between them.
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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2015, 03:21:00 pm »
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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2015, 10:24:41 pm »
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Congrats, that's exactly how I started my road  to "extremism", as you characterize it. Where do you think SJW's come from, exactly? You think the source is Tumblr and other internet circlejerking echo chambers? They are merely a symptom, one that is becoming more and more visible thanks to increasingly widespread worldwide communication. My extreme loathing for these people and their sacharine idiocy didn't come from some sort of nationalist indoctrination, quite the contrary. It came from constant exposure to them and their source in academia, the source of the disease that is killing western civilization, the suicidaly self-loathing crypto-marxists who poisoned western liberal thought beyond redemption. If you had any self-awareness you would realize SJW thoughts are just the logical end result of the "progressive", anti-nationalist, pro-globalization, so-called "humanist" ideology you still adhere to. You're no better than the "moderate" islamists making excuses and pretending the deeply imbedded pillars of your ideology are completely blameless for these embarassements, as if there were absolutely no connecting thread between them.

Right, but reacting with anger towards them only makes them feel more confident in their issue ("If they are so mad that I'm bringing |patriarchy/homophobia/transgender issues/other unrelated shit that I blew out of proportion| up all the time, I'm basically the 21st century Rosa Parks!"), generally yelling on the internet is a bad way of getting your point across.

And you are right, the internet almost completely removed the need to adapt to our society when we're somewhat not fitting in with our point of view, instead it helps people form small circlejerks left and right, where instead of discussion, everyone just says what they think and expects to hear it back from others. It's natural that we flock to people sharing our POV, but there arises this problem of "proudful ignorance", when instead of even considering the opposing idea for a moment, it's quickly dismissed as something wrong and stupid because "my idea is different"

And then again, our experiences vary because different countries have different "leading" ideas, I for one know that Polish internet is absurdly right-wing, or more often simply reactionary - "what is now is badder, we want to go back to the previous thing even if we hated it" kind of thinking. Common for all of us is reddit, tumblr, 4chan and facebook I guess, and I'll refer to them.

It varies and I'm probably horribly generalising, but GENERALLY: Reddit appeals to young males (varies from sub to sub), tumblr is more appealing to younger women and teenagers, 4chan is generally same as reddit, but with more hating and shitposting and facebook is for old people. All those places create different views of the world based on how their users post and "discuss" (if you can call it that), and what the general consensus eventually becomes. And even in those sites, there are very varying opinions.
Also, universities are definitely to be blamed but I can't really speak about it as all I've ever heard is some failed attempts by student councils to create some stupid "safe spaces" in a few colleges in the US, and a few protests + the BlackLiesMatter movement which is a fucking joke. But can you blame the universities? It's their job to spearhead the new ideas, sometimes it fails and sometimes it goes through, sometimes for worse and sometimes for the good. Someone oughta do it, the problem is when you can't speak out AGAINST an idea.
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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2015, 10:49:15 pm »
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For me reddit is source of information, not interested in having pointless discussions on reddit (this is the only place where I'm involved in political discussions). Reddit is like reading news on those old, pre-internet bulletin boards. Straight to the point, all functionality devoid of fancy looks. 4chan is similar but it's filled with trolls and finding proper information can be a chore. Facebook is about sharing your personal stuff with other people, just like Instagram.

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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2015, 11:11:54 pm »
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For me reddit is source of information, not interested in having pointless discussions on reddit (this is the only place where I'm involved in political discussions). Reddit is like reading news on those old, pre-internet bulletin boards. Straight to the point, all functionality devoid of fancy looks. 4chan is similar but it's filled with trolls and finding proper information can be a chore. Facebook is about sharing your personal stuff with other people, just like Instagram.

Switched to reddit because Google is getting worse every day.

  The problem is the manipulation of information and the dangerous cult like mentality of the extreme left and right. This mob mentality demonizes and will slander anyone with a differing opinion that does not suit their interest or story they are trying to paint to the point where the silent majority just sheepishly goes along.
  This left vs right mentality brings balance but it also brings deadlock and makes the US government operate like a bi-polar maniac. The extreme ideologies of the left and the right are both pushed by the silent majority unknowingly or indirectly to promote what they see as their cause, which is their ideology dominating the other despite the reality or consequences. You really have to look at every single piece of news or media as biased in some sort of way, because media psychologists get paid alot of money to display their political bias no matter how subtle it may be.

“However political parties may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

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It just makes no sense to me to have two ideologies with total opposite interests competing against each other without some kind of reason, sense or moderate party represented. Of course a realist party like this would have no popularity because it would upset what the most powerful consider balance in the system, this system that works in their favor.
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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2015, 09:27:14 am »
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Its related to similar issues that hunt movements similar to feminism, PETA and Black lives matter. People today are significantly more respectful of eachother than they used to be back in the 70s or so. This has made people in these movements and other Social warriors kinda confused. In the past all these social issues were easly detectable and could be fought against. These days its really not, because they dont exsist so widespread anymore and with that they dont really know who or what to fight anymore. So now they are just people looking for a fight, by jumping down throats of random people responsible to absolutely random things and giving a message that aged decades ago.

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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2015, 10:10:48 am »
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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2015, 08:57:52 am »
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Social Justice Warriors have not so much to do with marxism imo. I am pretty confident there's not many people from the working class in those hardcore feminist fight against "offensive things not to say", when you see how economical inequalities are progressing, you realise there's far more important fight to lead than not enough female character in video games....
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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2015, 07:51:51 pm »
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Congrats, that's exactly how I started my road  to "extremism", as you characterize it. Where do you think SJW's come from, exactly? You think the source is Tumblr and other internet circlejerking echo chambers? They are merely a symptom, one that is becoming more and more visible thanks to increasingly widespread worldwide communication. My extreme loathing for these people and their sacharine idiocy didn't come from some sort of nationalist indoctrination, quite the contrary. It came from constant exposure to them and their source in academia, the source of the disease that is killing western civilization, the suicidaly self-loathing crypto-marxists who poisoned western liberal thought beyond redemption. If you had any self-awareness you would realize SJW thoughts are just the logical end result of the "progressive", anti-nationalist, pro-globalization, so-called "humanist" ideology you still adhere to. You're no better than the "moderate" islamists making excuses and pretending the deeply imbedded pillars of your ideology are completely blameless for these embarassements, as if there were absolutely no connecting thread between them.

Oberyn is not capable of seeing the difference between humanism and post-structuralism (for lack of a better word), confirmed.

I'm going to spell my view on that as succinctly as possible: humanism is about equality between individuals, crypto-marxism or whatever is about "equality between groups", whatever that means. Those people leave one and get into the other when they ask for justice between groups i.e. ask for the individual of one group to suffer because another group is "oppressed". This has nothing to do whatsoever with anti-nationalism or globalization. In fact, if you ask tumblrspawn most of them will be anti-globalization as they view it as something oppressing "minorities". SJW ideology is literally racist as it seeks to enshrine racial discrimination into law. Same goes for all other axes of "oppression" like sex or religion.

Social Justice Warriors have not so much to do with marxism imo. I am pretty confident there's not many people from the working class in those hardcore feminist fight against "offensive things not to say", when you see how economical inequalities are progressing, you realise there's far more important fight to lead than not enough female character in video games....

It has everything to do with Marxism because it works exactly the same way. You define two classes: the oppressors and the oppressed. You then justify discrimination and causing harm to the "oppressors" as some sort of justice for imaginary crimes.

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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2015, 12:17:10 pm »
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Well first, this is not at all what marxism is about, nowhere it is told that oppressors should be discriminated. Marxism is about equality and equality between sex has (almost totally) been reached.

And second where's the oppression against women in the west when the only laws that make differences between men and women (military service and right to maternity rest although men also capitalize for it) both profits to women? SJW are just a past-time for "bourgeois" that have nothing to do with their life and/or tumblr dwellers.
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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2015, 11:56:43 pm »
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Well first, this is not at all what marxism is about, nowhere it is told that oppressors should be discriminated. Marxism is about equality

Sweet summer child. It isn't about equality, only some warped notion of it.

And second where's the oppression against women in the west when the only laws that make differences between men and women (military service and right to maternity rest although men also capitalize for it) both profits to women?

The truth doesn't matter to SJWs, only the narrative does.

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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2015, 03:17:13 pm »
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Well, all religions that I know of ARE stupid.

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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2015, 04:17:57 pm »
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Wait, are you saying that only about 20% of the population of God's own country don't believe in something stupid, Paul?

http://www.livescience.com/46123-many-americans-creationists.html

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Four in 10 Americans believe God created the Earth and anatomically modern humans, less than 10,000 years ago, according to a new Gallup poll.
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About half of Americans believe humans evolved over millions of years, with most of those people saying that God guided the process. Religious, less educated, and older respondents were likelier to espouse a young Earth creationist view — that life was created some 6,000 to 10,000

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Americans consistently report high levels of belief in the supernatural. About 80 percent of Americans believe in miracles and three-quarters believe in the virgin birth of Jesus, according to a 2013 Pew survey.

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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2015, 01:02:15 am »
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Wait, are you saying that only about 20% of the population of God's own country don't believe in something stupid, Paul?

You'll have to explain how you interpreted this:

Well, all religions that I know of ARE stupid.

Did someone on the internet recently come up with a new term? Interesting shitty urban dictionary definition tho:

A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

Those Social Justice Warriors sure are shitty.

On an unrelated note i've just been reading thereligionofpeace.com and have decided that all religions are stupid. I am regurgitating my shallow not well-thought-out views for the purpose of raising my own personal reputation. I do not necessarily strongly believe all that I say, or even care about the groups i am ''defending'', i am just repeating points that are currently popular online to become popular online. Also i will only adopt the stance that is likely to be 'correct' in my social circle, and as i am confident that there are very few religious people here i know that regurgitating anti-religion views i've found online will be met with high approval here.

Sure love these new internet-terms, in the mind of the person posting them they always apply to everyone other than themselves. But hey, hard to get a reality-check online.

The definition changed. SJW is a catch-all term for third wave feminism and all movements for "social justice" that espouse the same theoretical foundations. Central to this is the notion that people are living in systemic oppression. This is of course, never defined in a way that is actually falsifiable.

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Re: Social Justice Warriors
« Reply #29 on: December 06, 2015, 12:50:17 am »
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I don't think SJWs are a real thing. They're about as 'real' as the Occupy Movement. I think SciFi fans or Muslims have more in common than 'SJWs'. If anything, they seem like a strawman group, pulled out of the ether and used as a scapegoat for a number of non-specific defensive reactions.

Then again, it's very possible that I don't notice them because I live in the Glorious South.


The truth doesn't matter to SJWs, only the narrative does.

You could replace 'SJWs' with 'humans'.