France under attack....

[Oberyn]

Muslims feel perfectly justified in murdering innocents for the collective sins of our "tribe" and then having their "moderates" make endless excuses for why it was a totally rational action, in context. Ignoring the usual, endless conspiracy theories about jews and the CIA and how it's just completely unbelievable that a muslim could ever undertake such a heinous act and so it must be a false flag designed to foment hatred against muslims. Endless whining about how the true victims are the poor brainwashed muslim masses, evily manipulated by the west into...migrating by the hundreds of thousands to our countries and attacking the west, because this benefits us somehow? At this point what passes for "logic" in the muslim brain shuts down and all that remains is the ironclad certainty that somehow, yet again, "true" islam and it's adherents are the victims.

[Gravoth_iii]

Other thread locked and clockwork muted. FeelsBadMan

näzi mods aboze

[Sir_Hans]

Moderators closed his thread and muted him???

What was their reasoning for that?

[Xant]

He got muted for his deleted thread most likely, no reason to close the other thread though. Karasu being emotional.

[Grytviken]

The West is filled with stupid cunts like you who decided who was behind this attack and why before the bodies were even cold, and before you had any evidence.

  No, the West is filled with stupid politicians who knew there was a high probability of this happening and let them come in anyways not giving a fuck about their own people, people like you elected them. Thousands of Muslims are celebrating the attack openly on twitter and other social media outlets. People are sick of the crocodile tears, even a Turk on here said the truth, alot of Muslims condone this and celebrate it whether it's openly or behind closed doors.

[Oberyn]

Karasu drops pithy condescending one liner and locks thread. Classic. How about expanding on your views in this thread Karasu? Or do you do it only when you can be certain no one will respond?

[Grytviken]

Karasu drops pithy condescending one liner and locks thread. Classic. How about expanding on your views in this thread Karasu? Or do you do it only when you can be certain no one will respond?

Better to be dead than offended is the order of the day in Europe.

[Overdriven]

What I do not understand is why a person would call himself a follower of a religion, which includes faith in a God that is omnipotent and has eternal knowledge, and then handpicks parts of the religion making it suitable to secular ideals that aren't even derived from that religion. And just to be clear, there are still messed up things in the Quran too, e.g. permission to marry a child before puberty (which the Prophet himself did in the hadith).

It's nothing to do with hand-picking. I pretty much ignore all Hadiths. And the ones I have occasionally read I take with a grain of salt. Considering the first were written a long time after Mohammed's death they are hardly likely to be factual accounts of his life.

Add to that a lot of the earliest ones were influenced by stories from Ayesha, who had her own political motives at the time as she was attempting to forge her own empire. That is why no one truly knows if she was 9 years old when they married. The only source for this is Ayesha herself. She was supposedly supremely jealous of Mohammed's first wife (she died before Mohammed married Ayesha) as Mohammed revered her and loved her like no other. When Ayesha tried to compare herself to her Mohammed promptly shot her down. She was known to boost her own importance and one way of doing that was to suggest she herself was at a young age when married. These are all stories as well. Fuck knows what is true and what isn't. But the Quran is not allowed to change. You can't pick and choose from the Quran and that is the basis for the Islamic faith. The problem arises in that there are huge swathes of Muslims who follow the Hadiths more than they do the Quran because that is what they have been told to do.

One of the biggest mistakes that Muslims also make is the absolute sanctity of everything Mohammed did. It's pretty much blasphemy to question aspects of his life simply because the Quran states that he was a morally excellent man. However, even if he was, he was still a man. His actions were still his own and ultimately he was a military and political leader as well as a religious one. He made mistakes and did things that we should question but too often that's an absolute no no in Islam. Particularly in his later years it's clear he was beginning to lose it a bit. Sure he may have been morally excellent, but that doesn't mean that everything he did was a shining example. It's a discussion I've had with many of my Muslim friends and something they have questioned as well.

[Son Of Odin]

Karasu drops pithy condescending one liner and locks thread. Classic. How about expanding on your views in this thread Karasu? Or do you do it only when you can be certain no one will respond?

I would imagine he locked the thread to have only one thread for this subject. Since merging two 7-8 page long threads would have probably looked just as confusing as Syrian battlefront right now.

[Oberyn]

  No, the West is filled with stupid politicians who knew there was a high probability of this happening and let them come in anyways not giving a fuck about their own people, people like you elected them. Thousands of Muslims are celebrating the attack openly on twitter and other social media outlets. People are sick of the crocodile tears, even a Turk on here said the truth, alot of Muslims condone this and celebrate it whether it's openly or behind closed doors.

The "moderate" muslims wouldn't be considered "moderate" if it wasn't for the sizeable complement of useful idiot dhimmis constantly apologizing for all the blatant social and political transgressions in which muslims are disproportionately represented.
We didn't love muslims hard enough. We didn't clap hard enough when refugees got off the train. We didn't make our daughters give enough hugs and kisses to refugees. Why didn't we listen?

[//saxon]

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[Leshma]

Moderators closed his thread and muted him???

What was their reasoning for that?

Thread was redundant, same things are discussed in here. Also, was obvious bait topic.

[LordBerenger]

I would imagine he locked the thread to have only one thread for this subject. Since merging two 7-8 page long threads would have probably looked just as confusing as Syrian battlefront right now.

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[Oberyn]

Overdriven it's one of the inherent contradictions I see in islam. Supposedly Mohammed forbade graven images of himself because he did not want to be worshipped as an idol. He kind of failed if that was his purpose, because there are so, so many ways Mohammed is worshipped as an idol by muslims, to the point, as you mention, that mere criticism of anything he may ever have done or thought is considered heresy. For most muslims he was clearly more than just a "morally excellent" man (a fucking bullshit, biased, facile interpretation in the first place, but you're a brainwashed cunt so I'll let it slide), and this isn't a somehow new interpretation. Seriously, you're barely a fucking muslim bro. You and people like you are non-existent in the grand scheme of things. You're the worst kind of Buffet-Muslim Basnak describes, because you choose to ignore 99% of what your religion truly entails for the vast majority of it's practitioners.

[Xant]