Free energy already exists, we've been kept in the dark for over a century.

[Riddaren]

I was wrong. It's actually 250 (rent/fee) for 40 square meters.
But I own the apartment. I don't lease it. Otherwise it would have been x3.
Still, it's cheap for being an owned apartment but the building is an older one so it's quite normal.

damn refugees. 

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If you dont watch out, sweedn might get christianized by all them danes.

I think they were the ones who brought it here to begin with, replacing our aesir faith.
I can't say I'm happy about it. It's quite boring praying to the same god over and over.
But now, with 200.000+ danes coming each year, many things will change.

If only the Swedes who fought the danes would know, they would turn in their graves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dano-Swedish_war

[Murmillus_Prime]

One clarifying point I'd like to make:

Some of those "Free Energy" concepts have most of the time one thing in common. They generate a voltage out of nothing. You can do that. You can build some kind of weird circuit which will give you a voltage out of 'nothing'... air... radiation... whatever...
Let's assume you get 5V out of 'nothing'. You can measure that voltage... as soon as you do you'll probably see it drop a little tho. 4.9V left... still nice for a voltage out of 'nothing', right?
Now, a voltage alone doesn't do anything. Voltage is just some weird tension between 2 different electric loads. How do we actually use that voltage now?
I know! We can try to power something with it! Glorious idea... *pads his own shoulder* Let's do that and see what happens...
Hmm... what could we power with it?
Maybe we could charge our mobile phone? Gonna be slow but maybe we'll get somewhere. So, we connect our mobile to our circuitry.
Oh noes... for some reason our voltage is gone D:
The moment we connected our mobile to the circuit, the voltage dropped down to 0V! What happened?!

The thing is that creating the mentioned 'tension' between 2 electric loads is easy. But the unit, the way we measure energy, consists of 2 values. Voltage is the actually weaker of the 2 we need for power. The electric current is the bad boy motherfucker in this equation. That is the core of power.
Voltage describes the 'tension' between electric loads which are separated from each other by 'distance'.
Electric current describes the directed flow of electrons to equalize the separating distance we created before.

By common sense it's already obvious that a voltage is easier to obtain than a current, right? Rub a balloon on a woolen pullover and you create several hundred, even thousand volts. Easy... Can you charge your phone that way? Nope.

Reason is the amount of electrons which take part in the current. Those little buggers are quick. Like really fast.
You create 5V out of 'nothing' and have said 'tension'. Give those electrons the chance to equalize the tension and they are done doing so in a ns (nano second).
But what now? All the electrons we had on one side went over to the other side... and my shiny sweet voltage is gone.
Guess we have to start over again to get that 'tension', our voltage, back. Only that way we can get another current going. But... oh boy... we have to repeat that quite a lot of times, don't we? If we want something actually useful, we need to repeat that shit all the time. What a hassle!
Hmm... maybe if we force more electrons into the 'tension' we had before. And that constantly. Maybe if the wind rotates something and that rotation separates electrons and those electrons then flow as a current threw my mobile... oh my... we might be on to something here...
But wait, it ain't free any more, is it? Dang!

Didn't really clarify anything, did I? Oh well...

tl;dr:
"Free Energy" is a hoax because you can't do anything meaningful with it except impress halfwits.
You might wanna call wind and solar power 'free'... kinda...

There is energy to be harnessed that does not require the acquisition of fossil or other fuels needed to generate said energy. In a sense that is a form of free energy. Like Wind Turbines, Solar panels ect. The part that stops it being free is the technology and materials used to harness, harvest and utilise this energy and maintain the infrastructure to keep it going.

Is there such thing as a free energy in capitalist societies? Probably not. Not when anything can be spun to generate revenue even a gofundme page made for luls.

But people can work for free and produce energy for free it's definitely possible, irrefutably possible. But very unlikely. Most people do something to get something. Just because it's not likely to be done, does not mean it can't be done.

[Kafein]

I remember that discussion I had about the basic plot of Matrix being completely defeated by the observation that humans do not produce energy.

[Torben]

I remember that discussion I had about the basic plot of Matrix being completely defeated by the observation that humans do not produce energy.

you are wrong,  just watched the movie again and clearly saw lightning striking between the human pod tower battery thingys.

[Rhekimos]

I remember that discussion I had about the basic plot of Matrix being completely defeated by the observation that humans do not produce energy.

Concerning the Matrix, humans don't produce energy but there is chemical energy trapped in humans. And they function as bio reactors. Feed them frozen plants or whatever else organic that survived the global armageddon war that denied the machines solar energy and you get heat that you can convert to electricity. They are equipped with an immune system and resist degradation by microbes. Their shelf life is longer than most organisms, counted in decades, making them actually not bad as a stable long term battery. Computers and machines are weak against even brief losses of power after all, making guaranteed output something to be desired. The Matrix simulation can also double as a method for adjusting the output of the hooked up human batteries.

If the machines had nothing else at hand for power but a huge amount of warm human bodies as the war ended, it would have been logical to use that energy. At least until they could tap geothermal or nuclear sources. After that they would have been replaceable and the story falls apart unless the machines wanted humans along for some other purpose. Like whatever the neo-messiah stuff was at the end of the last movie.

[Paul]

I'm an engineer and may god have mercy on Bjord's soul if isn't trolling.

Does anyone of you seriously believe that the discovery of an actual 2. kind pm could be kept secret? There are nobel prices in that shit and the egg-heads would be at each others throats to be first going public.

[Kafein]

Concerning the Matrix, humans don't produce energy but there is chemical energy trapped in humans. And they function as bio reactors. Feed them frozen plants or whatever else organic that survived the global armageddon war that denied the machines solar energy and you get heat that you can convert to electricity. They are equipped with an immune system and resist degradation by microbes. Their shelf life is longer than most organisms, counted in decades, making them actually not bad as a stable long term battery. Computers and machines are weak against even brief losses of power after all, making guaranteed output something to be desired. The Matrix simulation can also double as a method for adjusting the output of the hooked up human batteries.

If the machines had nothing else at hand for power but a huge amount of warm human bodies as the war ended, it would have been logical to use that energy. At least until they could tap geothermal or nuclear sources. After that they would have been replaceable and the story falls apart unless the machines wanted humans along for some other purpose. Like whatever the neo-messiah stuff was at the end of the last movie.

Well no, renewable energy has to come from somewhere, and plants like humans aren't magical energy sources, they have to draw energy from the sun. I think it is said at one point that a lot of time has passed since the machines won the war, and also that humans actually reproduce in the towers to mimic their existence in the Matrix.

[Rhekimos]

Well no, renewable energy has to come from somewhere, and plants like humans aren't magical energy sources, they have to draw energy from the sun. I think it is said at one point that a lot of time has passed since the machines won the war, and also that humans actually reproduce in the towers to mimic their existence in the Matrix.

I recall the movies said that "the old were fed to the young" so the Matrix could have been a cannibalistic recycling machine designed to slowly release the chemical energy stored in the human race, but if the population really is growing, that theory won't work.

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Or could the machines have been adding more NPCs to give the impression of a growing population? So, only some of the babies born in the Matrix would have had a real world counterpart.

And yes, plants do need the sun, but a lot of plants and similar biomass could have been preserved on the surface under nuclear winter type conditions, since the sun is blocked out. Humans could have been useful for the machines until after that usable biomass ran out.

[Kafein]

Well, I'm not 100% on the finer details of the lore, but it seems to me that the thing was set up so that the Matrix would go on forever which isn't really possible. Of course, humans wouldn't be able to live for very long either.

[Rhekimos]

I don't know if it was ever supposed to go to infinity. Not a lot of the scifi details of the story were made explicit though.
But humans eventually dying off probably wouldn't have bothered the machines too much. Not before the two civilizations made peace or became friends or whatever happened in the last movie.

[Torben]

I don't know if it was ever supposed to go to infinity. Not a lot of the scifi details of the story were made explicit though.
But humans eventually dying off probably wouldn't have bothered the machines too much. Not before the two civilizations made peace or became friends or whatever happened in the last movie.

 if I was a machine,  i would get a real hard on to experiment on my former creators.  after all,  I have just fucked up my gods.  its just like humans going to war with baby jesus and not killing him off but letting him think he still rules the universe by sticking him into a cradle with lots of awesome lego.

I just think we need to talk a bit more about god in here.
after all its a science thread.

[Sandersson Jankins]

if I was a machine,  i would get a real hard on to experiment on my former creators.  after all,  I have just fucked up my gods.  its just like humans going to war with baby jesus and not killing him off but letting him think he still rules the universe by sticking him into a cradle with lots of awesome lego.

I just think we need to talk a bit more about god in here.
after all its a science thread.

The most reasonable and pragmatic explanation for the existence of God(s) or Deity(ies) is that they take the form of biological or otherwise naturally-occuring beings countless centuries more advanced in every way than our own species. The passage of such a long period of time allows for development of technology that can only be explained through miracles, magic, or other things commonly attributed to divine intervention or action.

This relies on an assumption that God or Gods need not be completely omnipotent or omniscient or timeless- only that they be extraordinarily, unfathomably more advanced than us.

[Sir_Hans]

The most reasonable and pragmatic explanation for the existence of God(s) or Deity(ies) is that they take the form of biological or otherwise naturally-occuring beings countless centuries more advanced in every way than our own species. The passage of such a long period of time allows for development of technology that can only be explained through miracles, magic, or other things commonly attributed to divine intervention or action.

This relies on an assumption that God or Gods need not be completely omnipotent or omniscient or timeless- only that they be extraordinarily, unfathomably more advanced than us.

What about the tooth fairy and Sasquatch?

[Sandersson Jankins]

What about the tooth fairy and Sasquatch?

The tooth fairy is a commercialization of the fae of old, which are almost certainly a primitive but cute interpretation of the Pleiadians and their interactions with ancient peoples of iceland and modern Scandinavia.

Sasquatch is clearly an extra-dimensional being. Either able to enter and exit dimensions at will, or by accident. This accounts for the fleeting, yet widespread sightings of good ole' bigfoot.

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am i tinfoil enough yet?

[Torben]

The most reasonable and pragmatic explanation for the existence of God(s) or Deity(ies) is that they take the form of biological or otherwise naturally-occuring beings countless centuries more advanced in every way than our own species. The passage of such a long period of time allows for development of technology that can only be explained through miracles, magic, or other things commonly attributed to divine intervention or action.

This relies on an assumption that God or Gods need not be completely omnipotent or omniscient or timeless- only that they be extraordinarily, unfathomably more advanced than us.

yes.  yes indeed.  for instance a supra kardashev scale civilization which can manipulate all sorts of shit.  would be god like to us fo sure