Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)

[Kafein]

mexicans eat mexican food, and Kafein makes stupid references, coincidence????

Hastily written poorly worded two centuries old political pamphlet versus long form two thousand years old random compilation of words. Neither is relevant to present day lawmaking.

[Clockworkkiller]

Hastily written poorly worded two centuries old political pamphlet versus long form two thousand years old random compilation of words. Neither is relevant to present day lawmaking.

"Durr, it's outdated. When in truth I'm just a mad Europoor who wishes he had the same level of freedom Americans have"

[Kafein]

"Durr, it's outdated. When in truth I'm just a mad Europoor who wishes he had the same level of freedom Americans have"

Most of the American Constitution is in fact not outdated, if you look at the big picture anyway. The thing that you don't seem to grasp is that an argument about the Constitution only ever goes that way. You can't argue that something is wrong because the Constitution says it's wrong. If the Constitution says it's wrong then there must be a good fundamental reason why that is present in the Constitution at all. If there's not then what you're doing is just a pitiful appeal to authority.

"The right to bear arms shall not be infringed" how is that a good thing? Not infringed, does that mean I have the right to build a dirty bomb in my garage? That's obviously insane. There needs to be some form of gun control with variable repressiveness depending on how civilized a state is. It doesn't make sense to even allow handguns in big cities, but I can understand assault rifles in rural/deserted areas.

[Grytviken]

Most of the American Constitution is in fact not outdated, if you look at the big picture anyway. The thing that you don't seem to grasp is that an argument about the Constitution only ever goes that way. You can't argue that something is wrong because the Constitution says it's wrong. If the Constitution says it's wrong then there must be a good fundamental reason why that is present in the Constitution at all. If there's not then what you're doing is just a pitiful appeal to authority.

"The right to bear arms shall not be infringed" how is that a good thing? Not infringed, does that mean I have the right to build a dirty bomb in my garage? That's obviously insane. There needs to be some form of gun control with variable repressiveness depending on how civilized a state is. It doesn't make sense to even allow handguns in big cities, but I can understand assault rifles in rural/deserted areas.

Felons and people who have been committed due to mental illness can not legally own guns, there are plenty of regulations already. It's up to the states themselves what kind of weapons are legal, caliber and magazine size etc, all of this falls under the 10th Amendment.

[Clockworkkiller]

"The right to bear arms shall not be infringed" how is that a good thing? Not infringed, does that mean I have the right to build a dirty bomb in my garage? That's obviously insane. There needs to be some form of gun control with variable repressiveness depending on how civilized a state is. It doesn't make sense to even allow handguns in big cities, but I can understand assault rifles in rural/deserted areas.

So, if you live in a big city, you are not allowed to effectively defend yourself.
Deny people natural rights based on where they live.

Perfect.

Also yes, you should be allowed to build/create whatever you want.

[Grytviken]

So, if you live in a big city, you are not allowed to effectively defend yourself.
Deny people natural rights based on where they live.

Perfect

You can own a gun anywhere in the United States, you might not be able to buy one in some cities though..

[Clockworkkiller]

You can own a gun anywhere in the United States, you might not be able to buy one in some cities though..

Yes, which is ofcourse. A probelm.

[GRANDMOM]

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[Xant]

Vehicles are more dangerous. They've caused 500,000 deaths from 2001 to 2013.

[GRANDMOM]

Gees, I sure do hope that the government is putting in alot of resources and effort into stopping these vehicles you speak of!!!

[Grytviken]

Sorry to say but the gun worshiping rednecks in this country aren't the problem statistically, far from it. Call it what you want but blacks commit 50% of gun violence in this country and only comprise of 12% of the entire population, good luck convincing them they should give up their precious toys given those facts. There's basically a mini black on black genocide going on in this country that the liberals are trying to blame on white privilege, racist cops and dead Southern soldiers, while ignoring the medias glorification of violence and loose morals, poverty, horrible education, and psychological problems. 

[Kafein]

So, if you live in a big city, you are not allowed to effectively defend yourself.

Yes you are. Self defense is a thing, just not with guns.

Deny people natural rights based on where they live.

Having shells of metal come out of your hand at several hundred meters per second is not a natural right. In any case, this wouldn't be the first natural right to be dropped in favor of sanity. Consider that you would be prosecuted if you killed or raped someone, things our ancestors living "naturally" could and would do.

Perfect.

Indeed.

Also yes, you should be allowed to build/create whatever you want.

It's more about restricting the sale of dangerous chemicals and the like.

[Grytviken]

Having shells of metal come out of your hand at several hundred meters per second is not a natural right. In any case, this wouldn't be the first natural right to be dropped in favor of sanity. Consider that you would be prosecuted if you killed or raped someone, things our ancestors living "naturally" could and would do.

The only thing more natural than this will be the reaction from liberals after guns are banned and people are being shot at even higher record numbers

[Grytviken]

Not just dead southern soldiers, but most Americans after the Civil War up til about the 1960s.

America has sure been good to the blacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

have you even told the black kids about jesus and abstinence lol

All of which has no relevance to violent crime statistics in 2015.

[Leshma]

Any of you went to school where shooting occurred during your studies?