Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)

[Sir_Hans]

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Love starting threads like these. Wish i had started Meanwhile in Ukraine and the Názi thread about Refugees too. Cuz i got the powers 2 lock it anytime. Ayy lmao

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[Clockworkkiller]

Love starting threads like these. Wish i had started Meanwhile in Ukraine and the Názi thread about Refugees too. Cuz i got the powers 2 lock it anytime. Ayy lmao

Lock it in the heat of discussion and piss everyone off

[Kafein]

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Okay.

Btw Sir Hans, the 2011 Utoya attack and the 2011 Liège attack conveniently happened in that minuscule 2009-2013 time period. Do the averages on longer periods and the picture changes quite quickly.

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

Going back to my point way back on page 5 its the media ya num nutz.


I dunno if this link will work but heres another one: http://2static.fjcdn.com/movies/Yet+another+shooting+need+to+post+this_a5ef8a_5702285.mp4 on a shooting in germany

[LordBerenger]

Lock it in the heat of discussion and piss everyone off

Needs to get a couple of more pages. But it's quiet now cuz most Europeans are asleep now or drunk so won't be much action now from them.

[Sir_Hans]

Yes per capita, if were talking about how many times something happens in a country whether  its heart attacks, the amount of times a citizens poops into a toilet in a single day or rampage shootings were going to have more of them because we simply have more people.

it doesn't mean population is the only factor to look at though, we definitely have our fair share.
And yes gun availability does play a part, but it's not the solution that will fix the problem.

[Molly]

lol at "media supporting secret agenda" while the NRA stated minutes after the shooting "wouldn't have happened if pupils and teacher were armed". Fair enough, their agenda isn't secret, not even the fact of simply buying off politicians...

And the capita-statistic
Glorious! There is a saying "Never believe a statistic you haven't faked yourself."
"Let's use the years 2009-2013. That's gonna show exactly what we wanna transmit! Going back too far is dangerous - it might actually reflect a proper tendency!"

[Thomek]

I really don't understand why so many pro-gun posters think owning guns is so important and such a great fucking idea. Every argument I see is pretty much bordering on the insane.

I wouldn't love to live in a society where everyone have guns. People are crazy everywhere! And having a gun accessible just makes it way too easy to do something drastic in a moment of emotional imbalance/insanity.

The 2nd amendment argument is hilarious as well, we are talking about a law drafted in a vastly different time, with vastly different and inefficient guns. And Grytviken blaming rap music and liberals????? lol.  Duh what about right wing gun culture?

posted it before, but if you haven't seen it, watch it. Lot's of good points, and it's actually funny: (And this guy was actually assaulted in his own home)

[ecorcheur_brokar]

Anyway, now EU has found the best solution, we send all our crazy beta male to Syria where they can go on mass killing happily. 

[Leshma]

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Smaller arsenal than on picture AntiBlitz posted.

[Xant]

Look, it's simple game theory. There will always be guns in circulation, no matter what the law says.

Armed with a gun (G), armed with a knife (K), unarmed (U).

G=G>K>U
U=U<K<G

Therefore, logic dictates one should always be in favor of the law that allows one to carry a gun oneself.

[Oberyn]

Insert usual rural vs urban perception of guns. I should just recycle old posts.

[Hirlok]

The biggest nonsense is to turn any discussion about this sort of tragedy into a general "pro gun" or "anti gun" argument (with the very foreseeable outcome of everyone being reinforced in their limited view of the world).

I have lived in a country, where every lengthy knife or xbow poses a problem (Germany), every legal firearm is required to be kept in a security safe/box,  and most sheeplings willingly accept that nobody except police, military and criminals is supposed to have guns. And I still knew enough people there who had access to guns - legally or otherwise.

I have worked in a country (Switzerland) where almost everyone has access to military-grade weapons in their homes - and nothing much ever happens.

I currently live in a country (Paraguay) where the law allows basically everyone to own a gun, and where a lot of people even carry guns outside their property or have them in their cars, because the police usually looks away - and while ofc the occasional shooting happens, there is not much to worry about and I have never heard about a teenager running amok with a gun here - (while they would have plenty of reason).


Putting reasonable gun ownership restrictions in place is one thing and should be discussed with a cool head - not linked to some tragedy that is exploited for the obvious agenda to disarm the people.

Thinking about the real reasons behind that level of hate in a young person, the disrespect for their own and other lives, the frustration, the lack of perspective etc.etc.  might be less convenient than shouting "ban the gunz" (because it might involve questioning our current lifestyle/society/values/education/economy/...), but it might actually lead to something.

Just removing guns from the game won't help shit.


P.S.: oh, and I'm a Iota Male. The type you don't find in the psych books. Stands for independant. Fuck the wrongly interpreted wolf analogies.

[Jeade]

The focus needs to be on the cause of these mental health problems which result in people going postal, not on treating individuals who have mental health issues.

This is very true.
Since industrialization, depression, anxiety, suicide rates, etc. have skyrocketed.
People in the US tend to work longer hours with less vacation and poor healthcare than most other developed nations.
Accounting for this, culture, and the number of firearms we have here, it's a volatile situation.

That said, all firearms should be registered at the point of sale.
That's one gun control law I'm totally fine with.

[Kalam]

Weapons should be treated like vehicles.

Now that that's out of the way, I can address the real issue: people with homicidal tendencies that are not detected early. This concerns mental health and society. Detecting people who are at risk is a cultural issue, one that's similar to suicide and suicide intervention. This isn't Minority Report, and it's not a dystopian security state.

 Mass murders are not unique to the modern world- just that modern communication and records keeping make a huge difference on the perception of incidents of mass murder. The (developed) world is a place with fewer bars to survival, so it allows us to focus on problems that are less pressing than an imminent famine. The perception of (there are still plenty of people out there who think depression is something 'weak' people choose to do) depression, anxiety, and other issues has increased. 

We can't stop incidents like this from happening, but you can get better at dealing with it when it happens, kind of like earthquake response.