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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #45 on: October 02, 2015, 05:04:30 pm »
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Golly gee, with that mindset don't even bother going outside!

Also you sound like one of those people who browse motherjones.com and gobble up all the shit they spew

What an argument, way to deflect the words I typed with an unintelligent quip.

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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #46 on: October 02, 2015, 05:10:47 pm »
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What an argument, way to deflect the words I typed with an unintelligent quip.

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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2015, 05:11:58 pm »
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Just a bunch of crazy ass people.....amirite??
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2015, 05:13:10 pm »
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"Lolz, use the dank memes to try and my point because I'm stupid to think up a good reply myself"

Quoting yourself? You didn't even reply to my last post other than trying to insult me. Thank you for showing us all that you are, in fact, unable to argue a point.

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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2015, 05:24:16 pm »
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The bottom line, that most of you won't understand until you actually have kids, is that a parent shouldn't have to worry about their child attending a public school or college and getting shot to death. Is this the kind of world you want to live in? How about going on a date night at the movies and ready to eat some popcorn, when some guy with a gun decides, fuck it, I'm shooting the shit out of this place and the people in it. It's fucked up and, yes, GUNS are the problem. Unless there is serious regulation or stricter laws, there is nothing to prevent this kind of shit in the future. There have been 142 mass shootings from 2012 to 2014. ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY TWO just in the good ol' US of A. Something has to be done and if you don't agree, then I feel bad for you and your lack of human compassion. As I stated in my previous post, it's a lot harder to kill a group of people with any other weapon than a gun. Guns are designed to kill quickly and efficiently and that's exactly what they do. They are a tool for killing. You can argue that they're in the wrong hands or whatever, but the fact of the matter is, there is nothing stopping them from finding said hands in the first place.

Edit: Point with the graph is to show you how many people are killed each year on our soil, by our own people, with our own guns. Thought that was obvious. Also to squash the "but crazy people are doing the shooting" argument.

As if this was an argument, the first half you say how your too scared to go outside, the second half you just cry about "evil scary guns". I'm not arguing your point because no point is being made

And for the graph, well nobody is arguing that foreigners are doin the shooting. Most of those killings are, like said, GANGs. Using stolen guns to commit gang warfare and shoot up ghettos. GANGs, not law-abiding citizen john
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #50 on: October 02, 2015, 05:26:25 pm »
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Its good to see most of the Americans here in nationalistic denial and blaming "kids these days" and "we're not doing enough for the mentally ill". My favorite was the poverty one, seeing as most of these school shooters come from middle class and higher backgrounds.

So despite that these shootings account for rather small amount of crime. We should ignore all other facts being made and make emotionally charged decisions instead?
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2015, 05:39:35 pm »
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I am not trying piss anyone off in this post, I am sincerely trying to make a point. Let's try to keep emotions out for just a moment...

Can we agree that Europe and the USA have similar values and a close cultural connection?
If yes, let's continue. If not, do not continue reading and make a post why not.

Can we agree that Europe and USA are comparable to a certain degree that is makes sense to compare the two on the point of gun availability and laws?
If yes, let's continue. If not, do not continue reading and make a post why not.

My point:
Europe shows way less school shootings compared to the USA. I say there is a causal connection between the way lower availability of guns in Europe compared to the USA and the way lower number of these kind of shootings occurring is directly connected to the stricter gun laws and mentioned availability.

You're welcome to make a sincere attempt on arguing against the connection I established in the above. And please don't be too nitpicky about phrasing. I think the point is somewhat clear.
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #52 on: October 02, 2015, 05:40:11 pm »
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As if this was an argument, the first half you say how your too scared to go outside, the second half you just cry about "evil scary guns". I'm not arguing your point because no point is being made

And for the graph, well nobody is arguing that foreigners are doin the shooting. Most of those killings are, like said, GANGs. Using stolen guns to commit gang warfare and shoot up ghettos. GANGs, not law-abiding citizen john

If you read anything other than Guns and Ammo Magazine, you'd realize the first two were actual circumstances of mass killings that have occurred in the past couple years.

Did you even bother trying to educate yourself before you typed that sentence about foreigners doing the shooting and how most are by "gangs". The point of that graph, is to show you that there are US people killing US People with............wait for it.......................GUNS. Mostly hand guns. Let's just gloss over this fact by throwing in law-abiding citizen John, who is no longer considered law-abiding if he commits murder right? So law-abiding citizen John, is innocent until he commits that crime.

Furthermore, it doesn't matter if it's gang violence or mass shootings, they're all done with the same implement, a GUN. You have other countries that have eliminated Hand Guns, or more strictly enforced requirements for their procurement, and don't have the mass shootings that we do. You have certain countries that permit you to own and hunting rifle and shotgun with special authorization. Not a semi-automatic rifle or pistol. There is no need to have that and yet we allow it and don't regulate shit. Well, this is the result. Innocent people murdered every day, fuck there have been 296 "mass shootings" this year alone in the United States. But ye, let's not blame the guns. It's people and gangs and mentally unstable solely responsible. Not their accessibility or accountability for owning said weapons.



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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #53 on: October 02, 2015, 06:02:48 pm »
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Is it a gun problem? Yes and no.


Should people be restricted on firearms they can purchase? In my opinion they shouldn't, it is a second amendment right not a second amendment privileged.  However this gets into the sticky territory of why does one persons rights of freedom restrict others at times?

Background checks should solve most of our so called "gun problem". I do not support any further restriction of firearms. The real problem isn't even the guns(time to drink Heskey  :wink:) its the over saturation of the media every time there's a shooting setting up the shooter as some sort of misunderstood anti-hero who deserves the light of thousands of hours of 24/7 coverage. Many top criminologists have stated that this leads to the majority of shootings and that every time the media does this we can expect another within the week. If you guys haven't noticed this shit by now, the media is trying to incite shootings and race related things so they can report on them and make shitloads of money. Like every other thing on the news is how some kid shot another kid and how its racist and also bad that the Republicans are allowing this to happen by arming all the "crazy white kids" to go murder black people left and right or some shit. If you really want to go into some conspiracy level shit its probably all influenced by left wing people to enforce stricter gun control regulations(like that one dude who was one of the biggest gun control supporters and it turned out he was doing that so he could make more money on his gun racketeering operations).


Sources:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/03/130320155106.htm
http://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-releases/2013/webster_mass_shootings_mental_illness.html
http://www.academia.edu/2550144/Mass_shooting_and_mass_media_Does_media_coverage_of_mass_shootings_inspire_copycat_crimes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23511486
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/03/27/calif-state-senator-arrested-for-alleged-gun-running-was-gun-control-advocate/
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #54 on: October 02, 2015, 06:07:28 pm »
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #55 on: October 02, 2015, 06:14:55 pm »
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"durr only cops and militury should have guns"
lol, you people crack me up

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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #56 on: October 02, 2015, 06:34:51 pm »
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Quoting yourself? You didn't even reply to my last post other than trying to insult me. Thank you for showing us all that you are, in fact, unable to argue a point.
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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #57 on: October 02, 2015, 07:16:32 pm »
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*glug*

When people die because some idiots drive too fast, you control the speed limit. If some areas are particularly prone to accidents and deaths you control the speed limit further there. Arguably it's not the fault of cars being in circulation that can drive at that speed, nor is it the fault of the 99% of drivers that are safe and sensible. But the 99% have the abide by the same rules as the 1% who fuck it up for everyone, since the nobody ever believes they're in that 1% till they fuck up

This makes too much sense HESKEYTIME, this argument will never hold up in 'murica!

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Re: Another school shooting in Murrica (Oregon edition)
« Reply #59 on: October 02, 2015, 07:21:15 pm »
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*glug*

When people die because some idiots drive too fast, you control the speed limit. If some areas are particularly prone to accidents and deaths you control the speed limit further there. Arguably it's not the fault of cars being in circulation that can drive at that speed, nor is it the fault of the 99% of drivers that are safe and sensible. But the 99% have the abide by the same rules as the 1% who fuck it up for everyone, since the nobody ever believes they're in that 1% till they fuck up

so what is the proposition? Take away all the cars because of the 1%? that is the typical opinion when these threads pop up.  Oh, so you dont want to do that, you just want them that much more regulated, and what is the plan for that?  There is honestly only so much you can do, you can put up a billion fucking road signs, ads on television about extra patrols, heavier policing, etc.  Without a true statistic, im going to just assume people still sped regardless.  Might it had lowered it?  sure, but did it neutralize the overall issue of people speeding? no, and because it didnt, a few months from now, Gay ass Berenger will be stroking himself off in another one of these threads with all the euros trying to be all witty over the topic of "Americans and their guns".  And of course the media will be in a goddamn fury to make sure every person in the country is hotly debating "gun control", id go as far as to assume they are probably paid by lobbyists to continue the discussion to fuel an agenda.  Either way you arent going to stop gun violence in the US with some miracle regulation.
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