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[Kafein]

I tl;dr Jambi's posts. But I feel I may be missing out. Can someone who read them tell me if it's a waste of time?

[Jambi]

I tl;dr Jambi's posts. But I feel I may be missing out. Can someone who read them tell me if it's a waste of time?

It would be a waste of time, for those that wish to be unprepared for THAT WHAT IS coming.
Whatever makes you content.

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[pogosan]

[WITCHCRAFT]

I tl;dr Jambi's posts. But I feel I may be missing out. Can someone who read them tell me if it's a waste of time?

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[Jambi]

http://www.subgenius.com/

Pleasure saucers ... haha!
I totally forgot about this channel, thanks for the reminder  :P

[LordBerenger]

Most of the people in this thread will be feeling a bit warm after they take their final breath on Earth.

[WITCHCRAFT]

Most of the people in this thread will be feeling a bit warm after they take their final breath on Earth.

In fact, probably everyone will!

The temperature of heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26 reads,

    Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days.

Thus, heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (forty nine) times as much as the earth does from the sun, or fifty times in all. The light we receive from the moon is one ten-thousandth of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. With these data we can compute the temperature of heaven: The radiation falling on heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation. In other words, heaven loses fifty times as much heat as the earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation
(H/E)4 = 50

where E is the absolute temperature of the earth, 300°K (273+27). This gives H the absolute temperature of heaven, as 798° absolute (525°C).

The exact temperature of hell cannot be computed but it must be less than 444.6°C, the temperature at which brimstone or sulfur changes from a liquid to a gas. Revelations 21:8: But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone [sulfur] means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, which is 444.6°C. (Above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake.)

We have then, temperature of heaven, 525°C. Temperature of hell, less than 445°C. Therefore heaven is hotter than hell.



A REFUTATION OF THE PROOF THAT HEAVEN IS HOTTER THAN HELL

In Applied Optics (1972, 11 A14) there appeared a calculation of the respective temperatures of Heaven and Hell. That of Heaven was computed by substituting the values given in Isaiah 30 26 [1] in the Stefan-Boltzman radiation law, so that (H/E)4 = 50, where E, the absolute temperature of the Earth, is 300ºK, whence the temperature of Heaven, H, is 798ºK or 525ºC. This is hard to find fault with.

The assessment of the temperature of Hell stands, I suggest, on less firm ground. As authority we use the data provided in Revelations 21 8 [2], so that the temperature of Hell seems to be 444.6ºC–the temperature at which liquid sulfur is in equilibrium with its vapour–a temperature indeed which is sufficiently reliable to be used in the secondary calibration of pyrometers.

Now this last reckoning fails to follow the argument through. 444.6ºC is the temperature at which liquid sulfur is in equilibrium with its vapour at normal atmospheric pressure. Have we any data as to the pressure likely to be found in Hell?

The answer is "Yes". A nineteenth century mathematician has already provided the groundwork for us [3] and we may feel confident that by the year 2000 the total number of the damned will be at least 29,422,641,251,519,917,000 souls. Yet the area of the valley of Gehinnom [4] is only 7,000,000 square meters.

We can now apply these figures in the Ideal Gas Equation to calculate what the pressure will be in the valley of Gehinnom. Since surely some souls must have been damned since 1877 [5], the pressure can only have increased since these calculations were made and the equilibrium point on the phase diagram of sulfur must have shifted still further, so that if we can show that at a temperature of 525ºC sulfur would still be liquid at the pressure calculated (which is a minimum value, remember), Hell (Gehinnom) is now cooler than Heaven.

Certain corrections must be applied first, however.

1. Neiht based his calculation on a date of creation of 1658 + 2326 - 1877 = 2107 BC (minimum). Counting generations in the Bible gives a date for the Creation of 4004 BC. However, atomic dating has shown that Olduvai man is at least 2 × 106 years old [6].

2. We should use a Fibonacci series for the expansion, not a simple doubling series. [7] The ancient Jewish laws against inbreeding also act in the same direction. [8]

3. By a fortunate coincidence, the effects of 1 and 2 cancel each other exactly. [9]

4. The human body is not an ideal gas, but

5. A good deal of it is gaseous at 525ºC, and in any case,

6. It could well be that at very great pressures the external pressure may well exceed the pressure of electromagnetic repulsion, when different "gas" laws would apply. This merely explains how the Lord works in fitting so large a number of damned souls into so small a space [10] and it need not be quantitative.

In the calculation the following assumptions are made:

1. The average height can be taken as one meter. This seems a fair figure between the newborn babe and the fullgrown man.

2. The average space needed is about 30 cm × 20 cm. It seems unlikely that any closer packing could be achieved. Neiht uses a figure of 1/20 cubic meters per person, which is nearly identical with my independent assessment. Mine allows a neat cancellation, later.

3. I have assumed that not more than two layers of damned persons can be accommodated, since otherwise those in the middle layers would escape the full rigours of Hell.

So that,

The volume available in Gehenna is 60 × 106 × 2 m3 and

The original volume of the damned is 0.06 × 29.422641 × 1018m3

Then, at constant temperature (which we assume, taking equilibrium)

P1V1 = P2V2 or P2 = P1V1/V2

Substituting,

(1)
P2 = [29 × 6 × 1016] / [2 × 6 × 107] = 14.5 × 109 atmospheres

Now let us see what pressure is needed to liquefy sulfur vapour at 525ºC.

We have, using the Clausius-Cleypeyron equation in its integrated form,

Log P = 7.43287 - 3268.2 / T

where P = pressure in mm Hg

and T = the elevated boiling point in ºK,

so that

Log P = 7.43287 - (3268.2/798) = 3.3373813

whence,

(2)
P = 2174.607 mm Hg = 2.86 atmospheres

(1) is so much greater than (2) that Revelations 21 8 indicates a temperature very considerably higher than 525ºC.

Thus, Hell is hotter than Heaven (which remains deucedly hot).

REFERENCES
1. "The light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days..." The light of the moon is negligible in comparison with that of the sun.

2. "...the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death".

3. A Mathematical Proof of the Non-Existence of Hell from the writings of the free-thinker Neiht, born in Brussels, 1877. "The area of the valley of Jehoshaphat is 60,000,000 sq. ms. ... Supposing that each race originated with one couple only, one has five couples or ten people, and applying to them the principle of compound interest, up to the Flood there were 9,289,000 births in 1,658 years. Since the Flood up to our epoch 2,326 years have passed, during which, if only five couples survived, they would have produced 2,213,867,610,000 children. If these calculations are extended up to the year 2000, the resulting number is 34,326,414,259,675,172,000 which, together with the 9,289,000, makes 34,326,414,259,684,461,000 offspring. If one concedes, charitably, that all papists are saved, their number today being 1/7th of the population of the earth, that of the damned would be made up of those born before the Flood plus those born since the Flood up to the year 2000 minus the 1/7th of those born since the year 44, that of the birth of Christ: this number is 4,903,773,008,164,544,000, and the total of damned would be 29,422,641,251,519,917,000.

"The mean cubic area between a new-born infant and an adult is about 1/20th metre; the bulk of the damned above is equal to the mass of a sphere of radius 705,504 metres; that of the earth is 6,366,200 metres.

"If one puts back the origin of man, following certain German naturalists, to 80,000 years, the number of damned would form a cube three times the size of the earth.

"Now, how does one assemble the 34,326,414,260 millions risen on a surface of 60,000,000 sq. metres to judge them and how does one sink this mass of damned, through all manner of rock, to a depth of 5,660,660 metres?"

[4] The valley of Jehoshaphat is the Gehenna of the Jews (Jehennam in the Koran)–the place of eternal torment. The word is derived from Gehinnom = the valley of Hinnom where sacrifices were offered to Moloch (2 Corinthians 33 6) (= Adremmelech–the God of Sepharvaim). In later times, all manner of refuse was dumped there and fires were constantly maintained to consume it. The sulfurous stench and the fire was the original of the Christian concept of Hell. (The estimate of Nieht of Gehenna's area 60 × 106 sq. m. is wrong, according to measurements taken on the spot by the Editors).

[5] e.g. Dzhugashvili, Losif and DeSalvo, Albert H.

[6] Curtis G. H. and Evemden, J. F. in Nuclear Clocks USAEC Pp 40-41.

[7] Leonardo da Pisa Liber Abaci 1202 (Out of print).

[8] Leviticus 18 6 et seq.

[9] Westfall, R. S. Newton and the Fudge Factor. Science 1973 751 -758.

[10] "In my father's house are many mansions: If it were not so I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." John 14 2. Also, "Those things which are impossible with men, are possible with God" - Luke 18 27, and "...with God all things are possible." Matthew 19 26.

[LordBerenger]

In fact, probably everyone will!

[Vibe]

The temperature of heaven can be rather accurately computed. Our authority is the Bible, Isaiah 30:26 reads,

    Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days.

Thus, heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times seven (forty nine) times as much as the earth does from the sun, or fifty times in all. The light we receive from the moon is one ten-thousandth of the light we receive from the sun, so we can ignore that. With these data we can compute the temperature of heaven: The radiation falling on heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation. In other words, heaven loses fifty times as much heat as the earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation
(H/E)4 = 50

where E is the absolute temperature of the earth, 300°K (273+27). This gives H the absolute temperature of heaven, as 798° absolute (525°C).

The exact temperature of hell cannot be computed but it must be less than 444.6°C, the temperature at which brimstone or sulfur changes from a liquid to a gas. Revelations 21:8: But the fearful and unbelieving... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." A lake of molten brimstone [sulfur] means that its temperature must be at or below the boiling point, which is 444.6°C. (Above that point, it would be a vapor, not a lake.)

We have then, temperature of heaven, 525°C. Temperature of hell, less than 445°C. Therefore heaven is hotter than hell.



A REFUTATION OF THE PROOF THAT HEAVEN IS HOTTER THAN HELL

In Applied Optics (1972, 11 A14) there appeared a calculation of the respective temperatures of Heaven and Hell. That of Heaven was computed by substituting the values given in Isaiah 30 26 [1] in the Stefan-Boltzman radiation law, so that (H/E)4 = 50, where E, the absolute temperature of the Earth, is 300ºK, whence the temperature of Heaven, H, is 798ºK or 525ºC. This is hard to find fault with.

The assessment of the temperature of Hell stands, I suggest, on less firm ground. As authority we use the data provided in Revelations 21 8 [2], so that the temperature of Hell seems to be 444.6ºC–the temperature at which liquid sulfur is in equilibrium with its vapour–a temperature indeed which is sufficiently reliable to be used in the secondary calibration of pyrometers.

Now this last reckoning fails to follow the argument through. 444.6ºC is the temperature at which liquid sulfur is in equilibrium with its vapour at normal atmospheric pressure. Have we any data as to the pressure likely to be found in Hell?

The answer is "Yes". A nineteenth century mathematician has already provided the groundwork for us [3] and we may feel confident that by the year 2000 the total number of the damned will be at least 29,422,641,251,519,917,000 souls. Yet the area of the valley of Gehinnom [4] is only 7,000,000 square meters.

We can now apply these figures in the Ideal Gas Equation to calculate what the pressure will be in the valley of Gehinnom. Since surely some souls must have been damned since 1877 [5], the pressure can only have increased since these calculations were made and the equilibrium point on the phase diagram of sulfur must have shifted still further, so that if we can show that at a temperature of 525ºC sulfur would still be liquid at the pressure calculated (which is a minimum value, remember), Hell (Gehinnom) is now cooler than Heaven.

Certain corrections must be applied first, however.

1. Neiht based his calculation on a date of creation of 1658 + 2326 - 1877 = 2107 BC (minimum). Counting generations in the Bible gives a date for the Creation of 4004 BC. However, atomic dating has shown that Olduvai man is at least 2 × 106 years old [6].

2. We should use a Fibonacci series for the expansion, not a simple doubling series. [7] The ancient Jewish laws against inbreeding also act in the same direction. [8]

3. By a fortunate coincidence, the effects of 1 and 2 cancel each other exactly. [9]

4. The human body is not an ideal gas, but

5. A good deal of it is gaseous at 525ºC, and in any case,

6. It could well be that at very great pressures the external pressure may well exceed the pressure of electromagnetic repulsion, when different "gas" laws would apply. This merely explains how the Lord works in fitting so large a number of damned souls into so small a space [10] and it need not be quantitative.

In the calculation the following assumptions are made:

1. The average height can be taken as one meter. This seems a fair figure between the newborn babe and the fullgrown man.

2. The average space needed is about 30 cm × 20 cm. It seems unlikely that any closer packing could be achieved. Neiht uses a figure of 1/20 cubic meters per person, which is nearly identical with my independent assessment. Mine allows a neat cancellation, later.

3. I have assumed that not more than two layers of damned persons can be accommodated, since otherwise those in the middle layers would escape the full rigours of Hell.

So that,

The volume available in Gehenna is 60 × 106 × 2 m3 and

The original volume of the damned is 0.06 × 29.422641 × 1018m3

Then, at constant temperature (which we assume, taking equilibrium)

P1V1 = P2V2 or P2 = P1V1/V2

Substituting,

(1)
P2 = [29 × 6 × 1016] / [2 × 6 × 107] = 14.5 × 109 atmospheres

Now let us see what pressure is needed to liquefy sulfur vapour at 525ºC.

We have, using the Clausius-Cleypeyron equation in its integrated form,

Log P = 7.43287 - 3268.2 / T

where P = pressure in mm Hg

and T = the elevated boiling point in ºK,

so that

Log P = 7.43287 - (3268.2/798) = 3.3373813

whence,

(2)
P = 2174.607 mm Hg = 2.86 atmospheres

(1) is so much greater than (2) that Revelations 21 8 indicates a temperature very considerably higher than 525ºC.

Thus, Hell is hotter than Heaven (which remains deucedly hot).

REFERENCES
1. "The light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days..." The light of the moon is negligible in comparison with that of the sun.

2. "...the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death".

3. A Mathematical Proof of the Non-Existence of Hell from the writings of the free-thinker Neiht, born in Brussels, 1877. "The area of the valley of Jehoshaphat is 60,000,000 sq. ms. ... Supposing that each race originated with one couple only, one has five couples or ten people, and applying to them the principle of compound interest, up to the Flood there were 9,289,000 births in 1,658 years. Since the Flood up to our epoch 2,326 years have passed, during which, if only five couples survived, they would have produced 2,213,867,610,000 children. If these calculations are extended up to the year 2000, the resulting number is 34,326,414,259,675,172,000 which, together with the 9,289,000, makes 34,326,414,259,684,461,000 offspring. If one concedes, charitably, that all papists are saved, their number today being 1/7th of the population of the earth, that of the damned would be made up of those born before the Flood plus those born since the Flood up to the year 2000 minus the 1/7th of those born since the year 44, that of the birth of Christ: this number is 4,903,773,008,164,544,000, and the total of damned would be 29,422,641,251,519,917,000.

"The mean cubic area between a new-born infant and an adult is about 1/20th metre; the bulk of the damned above is equal to the mass of a sphere of radius 705,504 metres; that of the earth is 6,366,200 metres.

"If one puts back the origin of man, following certain German naturalists, to 80,000 years, the number of damned would form a cube three times the size of the earth.

"Now, how does one assemble the 34,326,414,260 millions risen on a surface of 60,000,000 sq. metres to judge them and how does one sink this mass of damned, through all manner of rock, to a depth of 5,660,660 metres?"

[4] The valley of Jehoshaphat is the Gehenna of the Jews (Jehennam in the Koran)–the place of eternal torment. The word is derived from Gehinnom = the valley of Hinnom where sacrifices were offered to Moloch (2 Corinthians 33 6) (= Adremmelech–the God of Sepharvaim). In later times, all manner of refuse was dumped there and fires were constantly maintained to consume it. The sulfurous stench and the fire was the original of the Christian concept of Hell. (The estimate of Nieht of Gehenna's area 60 × 106 sq. m. is wrong, according to measurements taken on the spot by the Editors).

[5] e.g. Dzhugashvili, Losif and DeSalvo, Albert H.

[6] Curtis G. H. and Evemden, J. F. in Nuclear Clocks USAEC Pp 40-41.

[7] Leonardo da Pisa Liber Abaci 1202 (Out of print).

[8] Leviticus 18 6 et seq.

[9] Westfall, R. S. Newton and the Fudge Factor. Science 1973 751 -758.

[10] "In my father's house are many mansions: If it were not so I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you." John 14 2. Also, "Those things which are impossible with men, are possible with God" - Luke 18 27, and "...with God all things are possible." Matthew 19 26.

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[cup457]

why can't you just leave people who believe alone as long as they dont force their beliefs upon you? why do they have to be eradicated?

[Xant]

why can't you just leave people who believe alone as long as they dont force their beliefs upon you? why do they have to be eradicated?

Because they force those beliefs on their children. And they want to influence policy.

[Vibe]

Because being outraged online is far easier than actually doing anything, especially on a forum full of atheists. You have to applaud the courage and conviction it takes for a man to stand up for what he believes... online... anonymously... in a forum full of people with identical or similar views... YEAH! Change the world!

It's a nice outlet though, as long as the people who really *hate* religion have the internet, they will absolutely not take action on any of their ideals or 'eradicate' anyone or accomplish any of their ideals.

Similar to how closet racists online be like ''Hurrr, durrr, wut? You callin' me a Nazi or somethin'?'', when actually no that's a pretty shitty comparison, since the Nazi's actually went and did shit. If the worst thing Hitler ever did was be a pissed-off internet intellectual talking about how he knew the key to making Germany strong, then nobody would really hate him (or have ever heard his name). Shout out to my man Godwin, but you know it's vaguely relevant, keep telling us internet atheists how dumb religion is, fight the power man!

Yeah people stop talking online and DO SOMETHING IRL instead! What's next, you're gonna tell us you booked a 3 week holiday with a girl you fuck every week? 

It's an internet forum, people discuss random shit.

[Vibe]

If what you like to talk about is how religion is evil and backwards, but don't do anything about it, that perfectly explains the weakness of your stance. You have these really strong intolerant views but you don't have the balls to do anything about it, so you'll never get what you want, and that suits most of the world just fine since only you internet intellectuals have an issue with religion.

What's next? You're going to 'fucking slap' me cos you're so badass?

It's an internet forum, even your IRL threat of violence sounds pussy

Your arguments are so fucking stupid it's actually hard to even comment to it, but here it goes.

It seems that you live in the past where it was cool to think that everyone online was a loudmouth but socially retarded in real life. It's not like that, and it never really was, cupcake. In fact it's ridiculous to even say that in 2015 where almost the entirety of communication is via internet. Obviously you are the golden exception here, fuck internet nerds right, you have the balls to do it irl. Not that I have a problem at all showing what I think about religion in real life.

"since only you internet intellectuals have an issue with religion" ok great, I didn't know most of the people around me were internet intellectuals, good to know. Some of those never use internet to debate but I guess they qualify.

About actually doing anything about it, why would I? It's a waste of time and effort. What would I achieve? Should I go protest in the streets? Yeah nice. I'll vote against people being taxed for church when that comes up. I'll tell a religious nut off if they're being ridiculous with it. Other than that I'm fine with ignoring that part of the world.

What IRL threat of violence, you insufferable fool? It's a fucking slap. I don't know what pussy ass country you live in, irl master man, but that's hardly violence here.

[Vibe]

Thanks for selectively ignoring what I say. Just tells me you're out of shit to say lol.

The reason I think you are socially retarded is because when you talk about 'everyone' or your presumed public opinion it is only based on the kinds of opinions you find online, and nothing to do with genuine demographics in terms of who's a majority IRL.

"since only you internet intellectuals have an issue with religion" ok great, I didn't know most of the people around me were internet intellectuals, good to know. Some of those never use internet to debate but I guess they qualify.

I guess I met my family and all my friends over the internet as well. My I wonder how I was conceived.

Last time I looked out the window, diversity and tolerance was winning just fine without my efforts. Now if that situation was different or I encounter situations where people are being shit on for their religious believes IRL, that absolutely demands action.

There's a great place to be a mindless SJW, it's called tumblr/facebook. Or join a feminist club or something.

If that's the kinda 'winning' attitude your views engender, then wow, with commitment like that from people like you how are there even still religions in the world?     

What the fuck are you even talking about here, you braindamaged ape? What winning? It's not my life goal to eradicate religion, you fucking simpleton. It's already lost and still losing power. It'll eradicate itself in time.

You didn't like what I was saying online, you couldn't handle it, so you threatened to 'slap' me xD what kinda pussy slaps? If that's the best you can offer when my mean little words make you incapable of coping then I honestly wouldn't mind giving you the opportunity to come over and deliver. Especially now I've seen above how 'committed' you are to your beliefs.

Maybe you should just do now what you do regarding that despicable and hated religion IRL, and give up.

Oh boy there we go again with 'you disagree with my opinions so you wanted to slap me!!!!!'. That's ok Heskey, I seem to have scared you with the whole slapping thing. Rest assured, I won't actually come there to just slap you. You can calm down now. It's not that would've accomplished anything even if I did, the level of retardation in your arguments is unfixable.

Especially now I've seen above how 'committed' you are to your beliefs.

That's right, and my first post literally says that.

What more can we discuss about this.

You should've seen that before you went full retard thinking I want to actually eradicate religious people irl like some extremist, lmfao. Somehow in your sick mind you came to conclussion I'm obsessed with this whole thing. At this point I don't even know if it's trolling or you are actually defending yourself with these shit posts, but in any case it's annoying since it's like talking to a little kid that's ran out of arguments and just throws random shit at you. Honestly, you'd do well in Trumps PR twitter department, ever seen those?

[Shemaforash]

meme

heskey i can't speak for your country but at least in mine atheism is like 85% of the population and religion is frowned upon here