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[Angantyr]

Peep this. This region alone is 20 percent of USA's GDP and population and is full of vibrant immigrant communities from all over the world, with hundreds of languages spoken. Its also the most "European" in aesthetic and culture, but we don't let immigrants drown to death in the NY harbor lol

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I can only speak for myself but I don't need any convincing to liking the United States. Like I do most other countries I generally find the culture, the people and the geography fascinating.

Talking policy maker decisions is a different matter entirely. Every country should be held to the same basic standard, and I believe one should be most vigilant about the wrongdoings of one's own country, where one can maybe do a difference, however small, from the basic ethical principle that your moral responsibility first and foremost lies with yourself or in your immediate vicinity.

[Laufknoten]

The whole Europe vs. USA discussion is kind of funny since pretty much every major nation in europe (Germany, France, GB etc.) is basically a vassal of the US since WW2.

[Smoothrich]

So what you're saying is that your nation will always play toy soldiers and you'll never grow up because you'll never experience war on the homefront. You'll never have an actual reason to fight, just keep inventing retarded proxy wars half-way across the globe so that you can feel relevant. Guess that explains why you still bitch so much about 9/11, you're that spoilt kid who's just been slapped for the first ever time and bawls their eyes out because you cant comprehend what's just happened, you wont find the rest of us so naïve.

You guys are an embarrassment to the 21st century for sure, keep going with your 'might makes right' rhetoric and keep worshipping your 'war heroes', you belong in the 1940s (which was quite frankly the last time your nation accomplished anything worthwhile).

The only people I've heard for years bring up 9/11 is people who say America either deserved it, or that Bush and The Jews actually did it themselves, as if Al-Qaeda, ISIS, etc aren't real things even though they are attacking people or fighting wars more visibly than ever. Pretty sure the average American attitude is more like what the world saw displayed in France a few days ago, when another ISIS Twitter Shithead Soldier pulled out an AK on that train, a bunch of Americans charged at him and beat the shit out of him, getting shot and stabbed in the process, to selflessly and heroically defend the craven French people who constantly shit talk Americans as selfish lazy war-mongers and crap and will surely continue to do so anyways after a potential massacre was stopped by off-duty American military like it was no big deal lol.

Considering I lived a couple miles from the WTC, watched the whole thing happen in person as a terrified kid surrounded by students crying about their presumed dead parents, and had next door neighbors of mine die in the attacks tragically, I can say everyone got the fuck over it after a few months of mourning and then mostly just raged at the obvious corruption and incompetence in rebuilding the site. I regularly took a train into NYC that let out at the WTC which was just a big hole in the ground filled with fat lazy probably mafia tied construction workers smoking cigs and drinking beer and doing nothing every day.. that's something that pissed ppl off more than anything. Though people taking match books, burning or tearing out all but 2 of the matches and sticking them in the fence around the WTC site was an ever endearing symbol of ghetto trash solidarity that made me laugh, until random stark raving mad hobos emerging from porta potties around the site tried to attack you and forced you to leave.

World War 2 had just as many Americans die as British people actually, with German U-Boats crawling up and down the Atlantic Seaboard sinking our boats (which were sending millions of tons of food and ammo to Europe and Russia for the entire war) for a while right outside NYC harbor, and fucking Hawaii was attacked by Japan, which is like 4000 miles away from Japan lol Pro Jap Tactics tbh. I still don't understand why both those countries declared war on us, blame them for basically inviting the US military to conquer everything in either direction with the USSR being the only thing that stopped us on both sides of the world, now that I think about it.

We fight wars in very similar ways to the UK and try to minimize our casualties and act at least slightly civilized to our enemies, just like everything else is extremely similar between us. I listen to a lot of BBC Radio 4 podcasts talking about their politics and culture and crap and it is all nearly identical to the US, just much more polite and a few years late on everything. Futhermore, both my grandfathers served in WW2 and my father in Vietnam, most people have friends and family, or themselves actually who served in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc who usually get all fucked up and beat their wives or drink themselves to death so we are no stranger to the horrors of war as a nation, plenty of people I went to highschool with went crazy and blew their brains out after coming home from the Iraq War which everyone of both parties regrets horribly.. as we are probably preparing to reinvade Iraq but this time for a better reason at least lmao. Lots of American cRPG players even are PTSD-afflicted Iraqi war veterans, I've talked to plenty about it, war is not a joke or game to us, and maybe that explains to you guys most of the NA cRPG players acting so retarded too lol

Are you Europeans happy with the hundreds of thousands of nonstop refugees swarming your countries? That's because Obama reduced American influence in the region, and it almost immediately collapsed into this clusterfuck. It was like an experiment in American not acting like world police in dealing with deposing Assad and staying permanently in Iraq to watchdog their government and it took, literally, 1 day after the last American soldier left Iraq for all the Sunnis in the Baghdad government to be arrested and executed for treason and shit that led to ISIS taking over lol. Every side fighting there is evenly matched in every way besides Turkey who only cares about killing Kurds, so it is just going to be neverending war until we reinvade, I'm sure. Though I wouldn't mind giving Israel the OK to conquer the entire Levant and bring them all Democracy and Freedom too.. they hold themselves back too much cuz everyone but America hates Jews for some reason too, even though they have a completely modern secular democracy with equal citizenship, freedom of religion, LGBT tolerance, incredible technological development etc and have been victims of nonstop massive wars of aggression by everyone around them, over and over again, and constant terrorism but people pretend like Israel started it every time instead of the Arab wold collectively attempting to genocide them, with superior technology and huge armies, repeatedly, and miraculously winning by wits, cunning, and intelligence alone.

Even the UK hates Israel, when it is functionally identical in culture and politics and crap just like America is, it makes no sense to me as an American who admits to spawning off a pile of UK's shit and smelling just as bad

[Angantyr]

fucking Hawaii was attacked by Japan, which is like 4000 miles away from Japan lol Pro Jap Tactics tbh. I still don't understand why both those countries declared war on us, blame them for basically inviting the US military to conquer everything in either direction

When Japan had violated the Washington Agreements (and the principles of the Open Door policy) by threatening the US export market in China (by destructive invasion) the US and the UK froze Japanese assets and did an embargo which together with the Dutch embargo on oil from Indonesia seriously crippled Japan which was entirely dependent on importing most of its most vital resources (which is also why it was projecting power on the mainland to begin with). Roosevelt then warned the US Pacific Command of imminent aggression from Japan.

[Smoothrich]

When Japan had violated the Washington Agreements (and the principles of the Open Door policy) by threatening the US export market in China (by destructive invasion) the US and the UK froze Japanese assets and did an embargo which together with the Dutch embargo on oil from Indonesia seriously crippled Japan which was entirely dependent on importing most of its most vital resources (which is also why it was projecting power on the mainland to begin with). Roosevelt then warned the US Pacific Command of imminent aggression from Japan.

We politely asked Japan to stop massacring millions of Chinese and sexually enslaving Koreans and we would lift the embargo. Instead they thought America would surrender after a treacherous sneak attack, thinking American democracy could not withstand the rigors of war. A few years later, their entire country was blockaded, people starving to death, and every city razed to ashes, ship sunk, and a new constitution was written by the American military reducing them to a powerless vassal state to the now sole masters of the Pacific lol. Then SK and Japan immediately became two of the most prosperous nations in the world with America as their greatest friend instead of enemy. USA owns

[Shemaforash]

I'm 90% Hillary and 90% Bernie, lmao. visitors can't see pics , please register or login

[Angantyr]

We politely asked Japan to stop massacring millions of Chinese and sexually enslaving Koreans and we would lift the embargo. Instead they thought America would surrender after a treacherous sneak attack, thinking American democracy could not withstand the rigors of war. A few years later, their entire country was blockaded, people starving to death, and every city razed to ashes, ship sunk, and a new constitution was written by the American military reducing them to a powerless vassal state to the now sole masters of the Pacific lol. Then SK and Japan immediately became two of the most prosperous nations in the world with America as their greatest friend instead of enemy. USA owns

Japan was suffering from a lot of internal strife leading up to the war, with the dominating zaibatsus on one side and the military on the other. Among many others the Mitsubishi corporation agitated for peace to secure export markets in Asia and good relations with the US, and while this saw some progress (like increased democratization of the country and the Washington Naval Treaty) any hope for demilitarization was crushed during the Great Depression which hit Japan particularly hard.

Japan had almost no home market, half its population being poor peasants living by supplying the export industry with silk, and silk export (which mainly went to the US) ceased. On top of that Japan experienced a failed harvest and famine ruled the country. The military decided to step in and secure export markets and raw materials across the sea, with the argument that America was doing the same thing in its hemisphere (following the Monroe Doctrine) and the European states were doing the same in their colonies. But the army's self-appointed invasion of Manchuria was still protested by the Japanese government as late as 1932, but it failed to offer alternatives, and the many victories in Asia only fanned militarism and imperial sentiment.

[Smoothrich]

You are greatly downplaying the vast scope of human right abuses and racial dominance theory. Japan was a monstrous empire that raped, tortured, enslaved or killed anyone who wasn't Japanese as normalized, even encouraged behavior. You cannot use geopolitics as an excuse to handwave their brutal subjugation of fellow Asians and some stupid ass fantatical Bushido code bs that codified surrender as the ultimate sin, so they all fought to the death, popularized suicide bomber attacks as legitimate warfare, fucking crazy Japs. They forced upwards of 100,000 Japanese civilians on Okinawa to kill themselves by throwing their babies then themselves off cliffs for no reason at all when the US was going to win the battle.

Every island or coastal province they captured for "resources" immediately turned into holocausts of the local population. Some of the worst war atrocities on record.

Imperial Japan was almost as bad as an actual European colonial empire!

lmao

[Angantyr]

I'm not trying to excuse anything, especially not the conduct of imperial Japan (which was atrocious). My point was that it was too late for any peace movement in Japan at the time of Roosevelt's embargo to move the nation to simply giving up its empire (in fact all domestic dissent had been crushed between 1938 and 1940).

[Vammo75]

Fun poll but not American (Skotte), hope I haven't f'ed it up for the real Americans

Saunders 94%
O'Malley 77%
Clinton 73%
Jindal 39%

PS. This is the most enjoyable American presidential pre-election since Sarah Palin. Trump for Pres!!!!!

PPS. Do you know that trump means fart in northern English/ Scottish?

[Grytviken]

The whole Europe vs. USA discussion is kind of funny since pretty much every major nation in europe (Germany, France, GB etc.) is basically a vassal of the US since WW2.

Marshall Plan? Were the Soviet's offering a better plan I don't know about?

[Grytviken]

yeah that's why the measure is gdp per capita, you fucking fool

The U.S is still the world's largest national economy, it dwarfs France and Germany combined.

 GDP by millions

European Union -     18,495,349
 
 United States       -    17,418,925

 Russia                -      1,857,461

[Grytviken]

You are greatly downplaying the vast scope of human right abuses and racial dominance theory. Japan was a monstrous empire that raped, tortured, enslaved or killed anyone who wasn't Japanese as normalized, even encouraged behavior. You cannot use geopolitics as an excuse to handwave their brutal subjugation of fellow Asians and some stupid ass fantatical Bushido code bs that codified surrender as the ultimate sin, so they all fought to the death, popularized suicide bomber attacks as legitimate warfare, fucking crazy Japs. They forced upwards of 100,000 Japanese civilians on Okinawa to kill themselves by throwing their babies then themselves off cliffs for no reason at all when the US was going to win the battle.

Every island or coastal province they captured for "resources" immediately turned into holocausts of the local population. Some of the worst war atrocities on record.

Imperial Japan was almost as bad as an actual European colonial empire!

lmao

Yes, they also cannibalized pow's, they deserved every atom.

[Grytviken]

So what you're saying is that your nation will always play toy soldiers and you'll never grow up because you'll never experience war on the homefront. You'll never have an actual reason to fight, just keep inventing retarded proxy wars half-way across the globe so that you can feel relevant. Guess that explains why you still bitch so much about 9/11, you're that spoilt kid who's just been slapped for the first ever time and bawls their eyes out because you cant comprehend what's just happened, you wont find the rest of us so naïve.

You guys are an embarrassment to the 21st century for sure, keep going with your 'might makes right' rhetoric and keep worshipping your 'war heroes', you belong in the 1940s (which was quite frankly the last time your nation accomplished anything worthwhile).

What exactly has Europe accomplished in the last 100 years besides becoming a bunch of self-hating pushovers who are losing their own national identity in some foolish attempt at competing in the global market? The US is laughing at you, China is laughing at you, Russia is laughing at you, Trump is laughing at you.

[Leshma]

EU citizens are losing their national identity in the same way British, Dutch and other former Europeans did centuries ago when they decided to try their luck overseas. Just shows how fragile and meaningless national identity really is. Only reason why you guys are cultivating your national identity is the same why you try mimic ancient Greece and Roman Empire on many fronts, because Europeans did it. As Heskey said, that is your weak spot. You see national identity as something cool kids have and want badly to be one of them.