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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #180 on: August 25, 2015, 03:38:51 am »
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European states learned the value of cooperation and diplomacy and to dispense with jingoism and blind nationalism after the traumatic experiences of the two World Wars. US bravado and 19th century rhetoric is symptomatic of a still young institutional memory.

Western Europe is starting to close in on its prewar capacities again after total destruction 70 years ago and as a historical first German industry enjoys willing support from all its neighbours. German-French cooperation has never been stronger and no matter what we may think of it the European project is very much alive, with or without the poorer southern European states.

In pictures: http://blogs.reuters.com/photographers-blog/2013/03/27/the-german-french-friendship/

Congratulations those two World Wars caused by Europeans only costed the lives of 130 million people, you might as well have killed the entire population of Norway over 22 times.

Also the GDP of France and Germany combined is only 1/4 of the US, nice industry you have there.
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #181 on: August 25, 2015, 08:40:41 am »
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Also the GDP of France and Germany combined is only 1/4 of the US, nice industry you have there.

yeah that's why the measure is gdp per capita, you fucking fool
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #182 on: August 25, 2015, 08:43:03 am »
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you seem to think we give a fuck, patriotism is an american thing

Yes, it's become increasingly obvious watching the nations of Europe respond to crises on their borders, such as the refugee crisis from Syria and Libya, the destruction of a civilian airliner over a war torn Ukraine, the impending economic collapse of Greece, etc that the average European only cares about themselves. I too would hold no pride in my country if my "history" was 100s of years of despotic rule by Divinely appointed monarchs who all incestually fucked each other creating an inbred deformed and literally retarded Ruling Elite.. and those genetics have obviously passed down to all of you.. then another few 100 years of pillaging and exploiting the entire world, enslaving massacring and terrorizing every other continent in the name of Imperialism, and then as soon as the UK's Industrial Revolution trickled down to the the continent, Europe collectively decided to genocide the Jews.. who were amongst every nation's best artists, thinkers, etc lol, and ruthlessly kill each other in endless wars of unprecedented suffering for humanity.

Can an average European even find a single thing to be proud of in their history? It was even Europeans that raided sacked and eventually destroyed the Roman Empire, and barbaric warlords that created a "European" identity to replace it. The "Renaissance" was because the forever war-mongering greedy Europeans attacked and destroyed a thriving Constantinople for no reason except to loot it. After the Ottomans finished the job not long after and extinguished Roman civilization for good, the Byzantine refugees grabbed their books and sailed to Italy and Europe took credit for ideas like "the earth is round and revolves around the sun" lmao, basic scientific facts that got you executed in Europe when some dude in 400 BC had the entire planet's circumference calculated already.

Many of these refugees fled to Russia as well, which was Orthodox Christian and was horrified at the massacre by Western powers of fellow Christians. Russia obviously had to get used to the fact that Europeans were never going to stop invading and killing people.. the two modern European empires, Napoleonic France and the Third Reich, crumbled deciding to invade 1000s of miles of Russian territory for no reason except greed and racism, and all froze to death in the process.

Western Civilization's progress stopped when Rome fell and only resumed when America was created by people smart enough to leave Europe for good and start over with Roman law and Greek philosophy as its foundation.

I feel bad for Europeans, even this thread is full of anti-American shitposters dropping their jingoistic pretense and pretending for a moment that they are part of American Democracy, thinking about who they would vote for, laughing at Trump, agreeing with Bernie Sanders on what's best for the economy.. then when an American like me starts to talk to them about it, they wake up and begin to immediately insult me and my nation as uneducated and uncivilized, as the dream fades away..
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #183 on: August 25, 2015, 08:47:22 am »
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If you are unemployed or have a low income you get free health insurance in the US. Privatized insurance companies rake in billions of dollars every year and it's all taxed by the government.

Its not exactly free. I'm low income and I actually have to pay for it or be fined for not having health insurance.

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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #184 on: August 25, 2015, 08:54:41 am »
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Its not exactly free. I'm low income and I actually have to pay for it or be fined for not having health insurance.

Medicaid was supposed to be expanded everywhere to include more low income people, but lots of stupid fucker Republican governors refused to accept this free Federal money to help subsdize low income people for no reason.. do you live in one of those states? If so I'm sorry. I live in Minnesota now which already had a greatly expanded eligiblity pool for Medicaid, called "Minnesotacare." I get free health insurance cuz of it, which I couldn't believe when someone first told me about it. I have no idea why this isn't national policy, it should be the model everywhere. Instead some people suffer from a clause of Obamacare that is meant to stop people who can afford healthcare from not getting it, making the law not work as intended.
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #185 on: August 25, 2015, 09:16:10 am »
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Medicaid was supposed to be expanded everywhere to include more low income people, but lots of stupid fucker Republican governors refused to accept this free Federal money to help subsdize low income people for no reason.. do you live in one of those states? If so I'm sorry. I live in Minnesota now which already had a greatly expanded eligiblity pool for Medicaid, called "Minnesotacare." I get free health insurance cuz of it, which I couldn't believe when someone first told me about it. I have no idea why this isn't national policy, it should be the model everywhere. Instead some people suffer from a clause of Obamacare that is meant to stop people who can afford healthcare from not getting it, making the law not work as intended.

I'm from one of those states, Pennsylvania. I'm not too up on it, but our previous governor enacted some program which denied Medicaid for alot of low income people, and now our current governor is trying to revamp it to make it more available.

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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #186 on: August 25, 2015, 10:30:09 am »
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #187 on: August 25, 2015, 02:36:29 pm »
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Congratulations those two World Wars caused by Europeans only costed the lives of 130 million people, you might as well have killed the entire population of Norway over 22 times.

Also the GDP of France and Germany combined is only 1/4 of the US, nice industry you have there.
GDP isn't really useful unless we use it per capita, where it becomes slightly less useless. But as you seem intent on comparing by total GDP the European Union (which is more than the France and Germany) still scores higher than the US, according to charts by the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank and the CIA World Factbook.
 

By the way, I only mentioned German-French industry in the context of the prospects of a lasting peace across the Rhine, that you seem to want to make it into some kind of contest (as if our countries have anything to do with us as individuals) is odd to say the least. This whole 'us' and 'you' rhetoric is meaningless, you are not your country nor am I mine.



Western Civilization's progress stopped when Rome fell and only resumed when America was created by people smart enough to leave Europe for good and start over with Roman law and Greek philosophy as its foundation.
You are basically describing post-Renaissance European culture - the same culture virtually all of your own country's institutions are based on. I know it all looks the same if you have no idea what you're talking about.
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #188 on: August 25, 2015, 02:39:49 pm »
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Maybe after 1000 more years of history under its belt and some real wars on their doorstep the US will stop having such international short-man syndrome or stop acting like a 7 year old who loves playing war.

Which doorstep? The one with the Pacific Fleet guarding it, or the one with the Atlantic Fleet? Either Fleet is bigger then the rest of the world's combined naval power, and just one of the several Carrier Strike Groups that control every world's ocean would destroy any other nation's Air Force within hours. America has complete control by an almost infinite measure of power of the skies, the seas and space and is surrounded by thousands of miles of ocean filled with undetectable nuclear submarines,  Predator drones and satellites, etc..

We only gained this from winning the Pacific theater of WW2 which was the most intense Naval warfare in history, and USA was actually at a technological and numerical disadvantage for a lot of it and in many battles against a battle-hardened fanatical foe, and we completely wrecked them over and over again. Japan having every major city firebombed to dust except the two we kept intact just to nuke them at the end as an added Fuck You is a good example of what USA would do to any nation that dared attack us ever again, except it wouldn't take us years to do it again, just days, and no one in America would feel bad about it for a second.

Also back in the day, Texas alone was able to military defeat Mexico and capture their President within like, one week of Mexico declaring war on the relatively small newly formed Republic of Texas lmao. Today, every individual U.S. State has the GDP of one of Europe's most advanced economies too.

Its almost pathetic to think about how incredibly powerful the United States is compared to the 50 disunited states of Europe who all hate each other, speak different languages, the most prosperous states simply refuse to subsdize the poorest's social benefits and welfare or forgive debt, perform predatory lending coupled with crippling austerity measures upon their poorest EU member nations like some scummy loanshark, immigrants piling up by the thousands at the borders as actual walls are erected to keep them out, hundreds of thousands drowning in the Mediterranean with no one helping them, a slowly increasing rise of Islamic terror attacks as ISIS consolidates power over Libyan port cities with a direct connection to Europe's mainland.. lol you guys are an embarrassment to the 21st century for sure
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #189 on: August 25, 2015, 02:46:40 pm »
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You are joking and trying to prove Hesky's point about 'international short-man syndrome and acting like a 7 year old who loves playing war' with that comment, right? I honestly can't tell. Maybe I just don't get your sense of humour.

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« Reply #190 on: August 25, 2015, 02:50:28 pm »
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You are basically describing post-Renaissance European culture - the same culture virtually all of your own country's institutions are based on. I know it all looks the same if you have no idea what you're talking about.

Nope, just independent Italian City-State Republics, which Europe's despotic tyrants and genocidal religious zealots endlessly terrorized with wars of conquest until they all disappeared.

Eventually all the smart Italians got the right idea and settled in NYC, like every other immigrant group that was tired of the whole "being endlessly exploited and often genocided" such as Irish, Jews, and Poles who all contributed to New York City becoming the capital of the world in finance, culture, and diplomacy. Funny what diverse peoples can accomplish when you don't try to murder each other and every 20-30 years for 1500 years straight. 

Also NYC is a great city, you guys should visit sometime lol. It is a cosmopolitan world class city full of culture. You can basically ignore the rest of the country, I agree most of it is shit, but they grow crops and shit for the rest of us. The Mid-Atlantic states is basically an incredibly advanced dense megalopolis that would make more sense to a European as a nation-state.
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #191 on: August 25, 2015, 02:57:20 pm »
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Which doorstep? The one with the Pacific Fleet guarding it, or the one with the Atlantic Fleet? Either Fleet is bigger then the rest of the world's combined naval power, and just one of the several Carrier Strike Groups that control every world's ocean would destroy any other nation's Air Force within hours. America has complete control by an almost infinite measure of power of the skies, the seas and space and is surrounded by thousands of miles of ocean filled with undetectable nuclear submarines,  Predator drones and satellites, etc..

We only gained this from winning the Pacific theater of WW2 which was the most intense Naval warfare in history, and USA was actually at a technological and numerical advantage for a lot of it and in many battles against a battle-hardened fanatical foe, and we completely wrecked them over and over again. Japan having every major city firebombed to dust except the two we kept intact just to nuke them at the end as an added Fuck You is a good example of what USA would do to any nation that dared attack us ever again, except it wouldn't take us years to do it again, just days, and no one in America would feel bad about it for a second.

Also back in the day, Texas alone was able to military defeat Mexico and capture their President within like, one week of Mexico declaring war on the relatively small newly formed Republic of Texas lmao. Today, every individual U.S. State has the GDP of one of Europe's most advanced economies too.

Its almost pathetic to think about how incredibly powerful the United States is compared to the 50 disunited states of Europe who all hate each other, speak different languages, the most prosperous states simply refuse to subsdize the poorest's social benefits and welfare or forgive debt, perform predatory lending coupled with crippling austerity measures upon their poorest EU member nations like some scummy loanshark, immigrants piling up by the thousands at the borders as actual walls are erected to keep them out, hundreds of thousands drowning in the Mediterranean with no one helping them, a slowly increasing rise of Islamic terror attacks as ISIS consolidates power over Libyan port cities with a direct connection to Europe's mainland.. lol you guys are an embarrassment to the 21st century for sure

Unsure if trolling but as Teeth said, please continue, this is entertaining.

Also, we have free college/uni even in the shittiest countries in europe, mad? In fact, the cooler (in both meanings) countries even pay you to go to uni.

In the end, it's hilarious if you believe that your countries international power has any weight on your personal life as a pleb in US. You'd get bombed by your own people in power if you presented danger to them, just as anyone else in other countries would.
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Re: I side with.com who do you side wth for the elections
« Reply #192 on: August 25, 2015, 03:01:03 pm »
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Nope, just independent Italian City-State Republics, which Europe's despotic tyrants and genocidal religious zealots endlessly terrorized with wars of conquest until they all disappeared.

Eventually all the smart Italians got the right idea and settled in NYC, like every other immigrant group that was tired of the whole "being endlessly exploited and often genocided" such as Irish, Jews, and Poles who all contributed to New York City becoming the capital of the world in finance, culture, and diplomacy. Funny what diverse peoples can accomplish when you don't try to murder each other and every 20-30 years for 1500 years straight. 
New York became the financial capital after WWII when the rest of the world was destroyed, the former financial center's host country greatly indebted to the United States for fighting more or less alone against the Wehrmacht for years.

Concerning the Italian Republics, I urge to go read up on the Age of Enlightenment and the European revolutions. The United States and the European states are very much alike, and spring from the same source.

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« Reply #193 on: August 25, 2015, 03:01:22 pm »
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Peep this. This region alone is 20 percent of USA's GDP and population and is full of vibrant immigrant communities from all over the world, with hundreds of languages spoken. Its also the most "European" in aesthetic and culture, but we don't let immigrants drown to death in the NY harbor lol

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« Reply #194 on: August 25, 2015, 03:12:24 pm »
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Unsure if trolling but as Teeth said, please continue, this is entertaining.

Also, we have free college/uni even in the shittiest countries in europe, mad? In fact, the cooler (in both meanings) countries even pay you to go to uni.

In the end, it's hilarious if you believe that your countries international power has any weight on your personal life as a pleb in US. You'd get bombed by your own people in power if you presented danger to them, just as anyone else in other countries would.

Oh please. You have no idea how much people actually believe in the virtues of democracy and freedom in America, including all of our leaders. Maybe before the Civil War but after Abraham Lincoln descended from the heavens, saved America, delivered the Gettysburg Address as his parting words of wisdom, and then ascended back home we have been incredibly strong and united with a shared identity as a nation. And if a nation's people are being oppressed by their leaders or neighboring powers, America has been and will continue to be there to defend them, rebuild what was lost, and invest in its future.. like we did to all of Western Europe, East Asia, former Soviet countries, and are still doing with Afghanistan after that place was torn to shit for decades by everyone else.
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