HCE\Acre army intruding Mithrim teritory- gets attacked

[Lethwin Far Seeker]

It was recently reported that W0lf of Acre had been spotted in Mithrim territory with 1k heavily armed troops.

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Talanarsis\NSIV and King James were contacted and warned that if the army continued on its course it would be attacked.  Despite this the army continued on its course.

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I spoke continuously James and Talanarsis trying to convince them to stop W0lf.  Their claims may be found in the steam convo's below.  I was eventually redirected to the Acre diplomat Axeman, and I asked James to at least halt W0lf's progress till I could conclude diplomacy with Axeman, preventing an immediate attack.  James was unwilling to do even this and so as he had been ordered, JayJrod attacked the Acre army as it attempted to cross the bridge to Curaw.

For transparency and clarity I am posting the steam conversations between myself and Talanarsis.  James and Axeman were unwilling to disclose their conversations with me.

Conversation with JayJrod:

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10:38 AM - Finnian Tiercel: Hey
10:38 AM - JayJrod: Hi
10:38 AM - Finnian Tiercel: think you could get to the bridge to the south east of Curaw with 1k+ troops?
10:39 AM - Finnian Tiercel: Wolf is coming up with 1k and I don't want him reinforcing Curaw
10:39 AM - JayJrod: Kill Wolf?
10:39 AM - Finnian Tiercel: No
10:39 AM - Finnian Tiercel: but if he heads deeper into our territory we might
10:39 AM - Finnian Tiercel: and I certainly don't want him putting 1k tickets in Curaw
10:40 AM - Finnian Tiercel: I'm going to tell them to back out
10:40 AM - JayJrod: On my way
10:40 AM - JayJrod: I'll bring 2k
10:40 AM - Finnian Tiercel: Idk
10:40 AM - Finnian Tiercel: 1.5 would be better
10:40 AM - Finnian Tiercel: I don't want to loose 2k to a crap roster
10:40 AM - JayJrod: heh
10:40 AM - JayJrod: Lose
10:40 AM - JayJrod: Good one
10:41 AM - Finnian Tiercel: lol
10:41 AM - Finnian Tiercel: seriously we don't know what kind of a roster we can pull just yet
10:41 AM - Finnian Tiercel: but yeah
10:41 AM - Finnian Tiercel: I don't want him getting to Curaw
10:41 AM - Finnian Tiercel: if he tries then hit him
10:41 AM - Finnian Tiercel: he may be going for Radoghir
10:41 AM - Finnian Tiercel: in which case we will also probably hit him
10:42 AM - JayJrod: On my way.
10:42 AM - JayJrod: And uhm
10:42 AM - Finnian Tiercel: because Jimmy is going to support us militarily for protection et c
10:42 AM - Finnian Tiercel: and while Jimmy is flip floppity
10:42 AM - Finnian Tiercel: he's quite useful in a campaign
10:42 AM - JayJrod: I cannot see Wolf
10:43 AM - JayJrod: Where is he?
10:43 AM - Finnian Tiercel: Half way between Ismirala and Radoghir
10:45 AM - JayJrod: Why so far north?
10:46 AM - JayJrod: Give me the word and I shall smack him in the face
10:46 AM - JayJrod: Have we declared war yet?
10:46 AM - Finnian Tiercel: We haven't
10:46 AM - Finnian Tiercel: but this could be the spark
10:46 AM - Finnian Tiercel: He likely came from Derchios or Kelredan castle
10:46 AM - Finnian Tiercel: over Vayejeg bridge
10:47 AM - Finnian Tiercel: We'll know where he's heading soon enough
10:51 AM - Finnian Tiercel: http://i.imgur.com/tmpNs7a.jpg
10:51 AM - JayJrod: I think he's going to Curaw
12:06 PM - JayJrod is now Away.
1:25 PM - Finnian Tiercel: If you need me to intercept wolf let me know
1:25 PM - Finnian Tiercel: with my current config I can reach him from Ismirala in 3 hours
1:26 PM - Finnian Tiercel: you could then reinforce
1:26 PM - Finnian Tiercel: but you should be able to make it in time
2:10 PM - JayJrod is now Online.
2:10 PM - JayJrod: I still cannot see him on my screen
2:10 PM - JayJrod: If I do, do I attack?
2:11 PM - Finnian Tiercel: No
2:11 PM - Finnian Tiercel: I've been in contact with Tala and James
2:11 PM - Finnian Tiercel: don't attack unless he approaches the bridge
2:11 PM - JayJrod: Yes, my King!
2:13 PM - JayJrod: I am in need of gold at some point. I'm down to 200k total. I believe I sent Luker 70k aswell
2:14 PM - JayJrod: I had 900k 2 months ago
2:14 PM - JayJrod: The upkeep and buying the goods starts to add up
3:21 PM - JayJrod is now Away.
3:32 PM - Finnian Tiercel: http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/empress-seeking-other-men!/new/#new
3:44 PM - JayJrod is now Online.
4:34 PM - Your state is set to Offline.
4:34 PM - JayJrod is now Offline.
4:34 PM - Lost connection to Steam, will rejoin chat automatically when connection regained.
4:35 PM - Connected again and rejoined chat.
4:36 PM - JayJrod is now Away.
5:09 PM - Finnian Tiercel: the dude is heading straight to Curaw
5:09 PM - Finnian Tiercel: you may need to quick march to nag him
5:10 PM - Finnian Tiercel: depends how fast you are going compared to him
5:24 PM - JayJrod is now Online.
5:28 PM - JayJrod: I'm on my way
5:28 PM - JayJrod: To kill him
5:28 PM - JayJrod: No turning back
5:32 PM - JayJrod is now Away.
5:52 PM - Finnian Tiercel: Hey
5:52 PM - Finnian Tiercel: you there?
6:31 PM - JayJrod is now Online.
6:32 PM - JayJrod: Hi
6:32 PM - JayJrod: I'm here
6:34 PM - Finnian Tiercel: lol ah well too late as you said
6:34 PM - Finnian Tiercel: I don't think I was convincing anyone
6:34 PM - JayJrod: Bunch of Acre told me not to attack while I was afk
6:34 PM - JayJrod: lol
6:34 PM - JayJrod: I clicked attack then left
6:34 PM - Finnian Tiercel: I figured as much
6:35 PM - Finnian Tiercel: James wasn't even willing to have him stop while we talked things through

Conversation with Talanarsis:

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Sunday, June 14, 2015
1:26 PM - Finnian Tiercel: Hey
1:26 PM - Finnian Tiercel: you need to tell Wolf to make a U turn
1:26 PM - Finnian Tiercel: he's not wanted in our territory with 1k heavy armed troops
1:47 PM - Talanarsis: Oh, looks like he's heading south
1:51 PM - Finnian Tiercel: Well James and I are aguing about this whole thing
1:52 PM - Finnian Tiercel: 1:33 PM - N_James: 100% bullshit
1:33 PM - N_James: he will use that bridge
1:33 PM - N_James: and thats not vallid cause for you to attack
1:33 PM - N_James: unless you are looking for bullshit reasons
1:33 PM - Finnian Tiercel: the bridge by Vayejeg?
1:33 PM - N_James: no at curaw
1:52 PM - Finnian Tiercel: I've he's heading south
1:52 PM - Finnian Tiercel: Curaw is north of him lol
1:52 PM - Talanarsis: Wolf is going to Curaw?
1:52 PM - Finnian Tiercel: idk you tell me
1:52 PM - Finnian Tiercel: but if he is
1:53 PM - Finnian Tiercel: we aint gonna let him
1:53 PM - Talanarsis: Right now he's just sitting there, but I thought he was going to go south
1:53 PM - Talanarsis: Last night he was heading south
1:53 PM - Talanarsis: But James will have him go up to Curaw just to bug you, probably
1:53 PM - Finnian Tiercel: if he heads south then he will be fine
1:54 PM - Finnian Tiercel: if he stays in our territory with 1k armed troops
1:54 PM - Finnian Tiercel: bad things are going to happen
1:54 PM - Talanarsis: I'll see what James is doing with Wold
1:54 PM - Talanarsis: Wolf*
1:55 PM - Finnian Tiercel: Thank you
1:57 PM - Talanarsis: James said he's going to send Wolf to Curaw because you're going to attack Curaw
1:57 PM - Talanarsis: You don't plan on attacking it, do you?
1:57 PM - Finnian Tiercel: Yet to be determined
1:58 PM - Finnian Tiercel: I'm not gonna let it be reinforced now
1:58 PM - Finnian Tiercel: because if we do attack it
1:58 PM - Finnian Tiercel: thats 1k more troops to deal with
1:59 PM - Talanarsis: anna run off to EU with me?
1:59 PM - Talanarsis: oops
1:59 PM - Talanarsis: wrong person
1:59 PM - Finnian Tiercel: LOL
1:59 PM - Talanarsis: I WAS GUNNU GO GET SOME GOODS
2:00 PM - Talanarsis: Not hiding....
2:00 PM - Talanarsis: YOU DIDN'T SEE THAT!
2:00 PM - Finnian Tiercel: TOTALLY DID
2:00 PM - Talanarsis: YOU SAW NOTHING
2:01 PM - Finnian Tiercel: lol give me Curaw or I'm posting in the forums that Not So Innocent virgin tried to seduce the lord of Mithrim unbeknowest to her husband Bryggan
2:01 PM - Finnian Tiercel:
2:02 PM - Talanarsis: I try to seduce everyone
2:02 PM - Talanarsis: And he knows it
2:02 PM - Talanarsis: But please put that on the forums
2:02 PM - Talanarsis: I would love to read it
2:09 PM - Finnian Tiercel: hey do me a favour and paste your crpg character over a People magazine cover pls
2:11 PM - Talanarsis: Uhh, I have no photoshop skills....
2:15 PM - Finnian Tiercel: get me an appropriate screenshot of your character then
2:21 PM - Finnian Tiercel: pls?
2:21 PM - Talanarsis: hmmmm
2:21 PM - Talanarsis: ok
2:22 PM - Talanarsis: Oh, the patch should come out today
2:22 PM - Talanarsis: I'm excited....
2:30 PM - Finnian Tiercel: screenshot?
2:30 PM - Finnian Tiercel: I just wrote up the post
2:37 PM - Talanarsis: http://i.imgur.com/zBdBrJD.png
3:28 PM - Talanarsis is now Online.
3:32 PM - Finnian Tiercel: http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/empress-seeking-other-men!/new/#new
3:36 PM - Finnian Tiercel: is it good enough?
3:45 PM - Talanarsis is now Away.
3:46 PM - Finnian Tiercel: Also Wolf is definitely going to Curaw
3:51 PM - Finnian Tiercel: he will be attacked by a 1600 man army if he approaches the bridge
3:52 PM - Talanarsis is now Online.
3:52 PM - Talanarsis: yeah, jay...
3:52 PM - Talanarsis: poor lil guy
3:53 PM - Talanarsis: gunnu feel bad if Jay loses
3:54 PM - Finnian Tiercel: if Jay does loose I'll be there to hit wolf a second time
3:56 PM - Talanarsis: I won't feel bad if you lose
3:59 PM - Finnian Tiercel: So you are not going to recall the army
3:59 PM - Talanarsis: I don't havw wolf on steam
3:59 PM - Talanarsis: have*
4:05 PM - Talanarsis: goods
4:09 PM - Finnian Tiercel: Well find someone who does
4:34 PM - Your state is set to Offline.
4:34 PM - Talanarsis is now Offline.
4:34 PM - Lost connection to Steam, will rejoin chat automatically when connection regained.
4:35 PM - Connected again and rejoined chat.
4:35 PM - Talanarsis is now Online.
5:18 PM - Finnian Tiercel: seriously this is it
5:18 PM - Finnian Tiercel: http://i.imgur.com/ot40UGp.jpg
5:18 PM - Finnian Tiercel: James is not pulling him back
5:19 PM - Finnian Tiercel: he's "leaving our territory" by heading straight through the thick of it
5:19 PM - Talanarsis: ugggggggg
5:19 PM - Talanarsis: Why can't we all be friends?!
5:24 PM - Finnian Tiercel: because Blue slipped a major city back into the faction block clan thng we had just pushed out of the north
5:24 PM - Finnian Tiercel: I've abided it till now
5:25 PM - Finnian Tiercel: but with the dissolution of the confederation we have a smaller territory
5:25 PM - Finnian Tiercel: and I intend it to not resemble swiss cheese
5:26 PM - Talanarsis: hmm...
5:26 PM - Talanarsis: WELL
5:26 PM - Talanarsis: Do you even have enough troops to take Curaw?
5:26 PM - Finnian Tiercel: yes

Conversation with James:




The Claim on Curaw:
Following the War in the North the tundra region was taken by the WotN and held by Mithrim.  An agreement was made with Blue (who had left Acre) which involved Guildmaster_Blue governing Curaw.  Blue was free to use the city however he liked in matters of trade.  So he got to use the SnD and run a trade network which helped us manage our newly acquired territory.  Blue eventually merged with HCE (containing the same clans as KotN) thus breaching our agreed arrangement.  As a result I have recently been engaged in negotiations with Talanarsis.  The negotiations have not come to much but I promised there wouldn't be use of force at least until Thalion, our proper diplomat, had the opportunity to resolve the situation. 

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[njames89]

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[Bryggan]

Unfortunately I lost my internet yesterday- I even missed the Halmar battle, so I'm playing catch-up.

From the rumours I heard, the Wardens claim Curaw.  I heard this second hand from NSIV.  They seem to think that because the Wardens provided gear to stop an attack by an army that the Wardens provided troops for.  According to the original agreement, the Wardens offered protection in exchange for Blue trading in Warden lands, keeping crime down and providing taxes.

Now I'm hearing from Thalion that 'they gave Curaw to Blue, and he was a just a mere governor.  I'm sure Blue will disagree with that.  And as soon as the Merchants of Curaw joined the Holdy chadzian Empire, Blue forfeited his 'governorship'.

Ok, that happened quite awhile ago.

So I admit I am quite baffled.  An army travelling through neutral territories is attacked.  I don't like this.  I also don't like that Curaw was even considered 'disputed'.  I gave the city to Dirk who gave it to Blue.  The Wardens helped stop an attack that was helped by the Wardens.

Well then...

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

Typical Warden bullshit eh? Poor W0LF, I remember when they attacked me for some crap reason that they had thought up. And it is fairly hilarious to consider Curaw disputed territory. Did you see the siege of Halmar? The Wardens are welcome to try and take it, I"ll be ready sword in hand to send them on their way.

[Bryggan]

I was not notified directly from the Wardens of their silly claim on Curaw.  Talanarsis told me several days ago, and I assumed it was just Warden drunk talk.

Also, if the Wardens were going to enforce a 'no travel zone', they should have posted it in the forums.  Attacking someone who is going to a city you are considering attacking is an act of war.  If JayJrod surrenders his army unconditionally (as in no one shows up for the defender), and the Wardens give up their absurd claim on Curaw, we will consider peace.

[Jona]

If JayJrod surrenders his army unconditionally (as in no one shows up for the defender)

Now there is a proposal that's hard to refuse!

[Bryggan]

I always look for a nonviolent solution, for I am a man of peace.  Look at the kind offer I gave LCO when they attacked Albus: http://forum.melee.org/diplomacy/apologies-to-lco/

OOPS
I meant the attacker 

[Lethwin Far Seeker]

I was not notified directly from the Wardens of their silly claim on Curaw.  Talanarsis told me several days ago, and I assumed it was just Warden drunk talk.

Also, if the Wardens were going to enforce a 'no travel zone', they should have posted it in the forums.  Attacking someone who is going to a city you are considering attacking is an act of war.  If JayJrod surrenders his army unconditionally (as in no one shows up for the defender), and the Wardens give up their absurd claim on Curaw, we will consider peace.

There was no public no travel zone so instead of instant attacking him I contacted you guys with the warning well in advance.  There was ample opportunity to turn back or even just remain stationary till diplomacy had concluded as I proposed but this was refused.

[mcdeath]

I used to be friends with JayJrod but things have changed now. I declare war eternal on JJ (strat only.)

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Don't get my war with JJ confused with my war on vegetables or my war on admins

[Thalion_Menelvagor]

Typical warden bullshit.? I'm curious what you are referring too? At least we try to be creative, I guess we could always random YOLO, only we aren't Gobblins.  Or I guess it would be preferable to stay afk? Isn't LL like still just attacking HCE because of Acre and James?  Plenty of BS right there.

I'm sure that whoever we attack will probably not like our  reason for attacking them. This is made worse by the lack of diversity on the map. Which we are trying to help change.  Should we attack LL? Well,  they've always been friendly to us so why pull a random dick move? As for the HCE, it is comprised of many of our traditional enemies, many of whom I maintain a great degree of respect for.   Maybe we don't like a big Ole empire  breathing down our neck. Maybe Finnian is just having a bad week and decided to give our royal boarder patrols swat equipment and forgot about the body cams. More likely we are just finishing the job we should have done when  Bryggans kingdom fell.  Perhaps it was a mistake to let a small merchant republic so close to our boarders remain independent  only to fall prey to the allure of Cadizian gold.  Perhaps I should  not have eaten at taco bell.

What ever the reasons, let's have some battles to determine who shall have rightful claim to curaw. It's not like we really out number you or anything. It's more of a risk for us than for you guys.

[Doom_Carrot]

This looks like a typical miscommunication between a bunch of people.

But whatever, more wars = more fun.

[Tristan_of_Erzoth]

Typical warden bullshit.? I'm curious what you are referring too? At least we try to be creative, I guess we could always random YOLO, only we aren't Gobblins.  Or I guess it would be preferable to stay afk? Isn't LL like still just attacking HCE because of Acre and James?  Plenty of BS right there.

I'm sure that whoever we attack will probably not like our  reason for attacking them. This is made worse by the lack of diversity on the map. Which we are trying to help change.  Should we attack LL? Well,  they've always been friendly to us so why pull a random dick move? As for the HCE, it is comprised of many of our traditional enemies, many of whom I maintain a great degree of respect for.   Maybe we don't like a big Ole empire  breathing down our neck. Maybe Finnian is just having a bad week and decided to give our royal boarder patrols swat equipment and forgot about the body cams. More likely we are just finishing the job we should have done when  Bryggans kingdom fell.  Perhaps it was a mistake to let a small merchant republic so close to our boarders remain independent  only to fall prey to the allure of Cadizian gold.  Perhaps I should  not have eaten at taco bell.

What ever the reasons, let's have some battles to determine who shall have rightful claim to curaw. It's not like we really out number you or anything. It's more of a risk for us than for you guys.

I was referring to this battle here: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=3729

[Talanarsis]

I was referring to this battle here: http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=3729

That battle was from when WoTN declared war on us for attacking Curaw. They said Blue was their vassal, so I really wouldn't call it "BS"

[Thalion_Menelvagor]

Not vassal exactly, but we had discussed terms that included protection. While the details were being discussed the attac came, so we chose to act.

[Thalion_Menelvagor]

And tristan, you seem  a little bitter. Never haD anything goes against you personally, just happened to be fighting on different sides. You've always seemed a decent enough chap though, certainly one always up for a  good scrap.