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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #270 on: January 09, 2015, 02:32:44 pm »
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Only cowards need weapons to defend their ideas.....

Men use words and drawings

You misspelled "I have no idea how the real world works."

Words and drawings do nothing against people with weapons -- see what happened to the artists.

"Men" can use words and drawings because there's real men who are willing to (and do) use weapons to defend them.
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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #271 on: January 09, 2015, 02:38:46 pm »
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Half-speed version: it is every individuals responsibility to protect themselves, except when the government takes their ability to do that away from them, in which case it becomes the government's responsibility. If the government doesn't impede on your ability to defend yourself, and you fail to do, you have only yourself to blame.

Yeah, I got that this is your opinion. I strongly disagree because I believe in state-controlled justice and defence, not self-justice and self-defence. But I didn't reply directly to that aspect.

Yes, it is indeed a good thing when it means that it's a two-way shooting range instead of a one-way shooting range.
Of course it "leads to something." All authority stems from violence. Only a total sheep would advocate what you're advocating: letting terrorists kill you and your family because, oh, defending against it would be so violent.

You think authority stems from violence done by the armed untrained civil populace? I don't.

You can call me a sheep if you want, I call the way of thinking that everyone got the responsibility of self-defence very shortsighted and primitive.

First of all, that wasn't an argument - maybe you should look up the definition - and second of all, it means that you did the equivalent of saying "well, yeah, guns help protect people, but they don't make for a better chocolate sauce"... and I don't care about chocolate sauce, and I never mentioned chocolate sauce in my post, so why the fuck would I care about your chocolate sauce (which you pull out after three posts, three posts which I obviously erroneously assumed had something to do with the thing you quoted, not chocolate sauce...)

Yeah, typical german translation error because 'Argument' in german means 'point'. I meant point, of course.

I believe that guns don't help to protect people from a political point of view because it leads to more violence and doesn't help solving the conflict, so in the long run less people are protected. That is in direct answer to your initial statement.

Also you are the one who keeps talking about 'let them execute you' or them 'killing you and your family' (getting on personal level) in reply to my general claim that with an armed populace "The only thing that would change is it would get more violent, more deaths on both sides and more centuries or more to overcome the hatred if there is any chance at all." I call that mousse au chocolat.

I'll let you figure that one out.

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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #272 on: January 09, 2015, 02:43:21 pm »
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You misspelled "I have no idea how the real world works."

Oh please Xant,  bless us with your almighty knowledge of how every aspect of the world works. You sheltered privileged little shit.
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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #273 on: January 09, 2015, 02:43:34 pm »
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one dies, one takes his place... you can't shut up an idea wit a gun....

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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #274 on: January 09, 2015, 02:44:33 pm »
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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #275 on: January 09, 2015, 02:45:33 pm »
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Yeah, I got that this is your opinion. I strongly disagree because I believe in state-controlled justice and defence, not self-justice and self-defence. But I didn't reply directly to that aspect.
Then you live in a fairy land. The police cannot, physically, protect citizens from immediate violence until they have a Minority Report style system in place. They count the points and act as a deterrent. When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away. This is an objective fact for everyone except those who have a permanent police bodyguard unit.

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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #276 on: January 09, 2015, 02:47:29 pm »
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brain and balls is better than gun for real men.....
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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #277 on: January 09, 2015, 02:48:05 pm »
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the fuck is goin' on here?
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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #278 on: January 09, 2015, 02:48:52 pm »
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Only cowards need weapons to defend their ideas.....

Men use words and drawings


Words and drawings don't do much when bullets are flying in your way.

You are a horrible human being clockwork.

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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #279 on: January 09, 2015, 02:49:09 pm »
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brain and balls is better than gun for real men.....
Balls =/= behaving like a little girl who shouts things from behind armed men and proclaiming how morally superior you are because you're a "pacifist" (i.e need to be protected by other men)
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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #280 on: January 09, 2015, 02:57:08 pm »
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Ok pepe, think of it this way: the gun is for defending your life and the lives of others, so that you can continue to use your voice, your pen and your brain to defend your ideas
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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #281 on: January 09, 2015, 03:00:17 pm »
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Then you live in a fairy land. The police cannot, physically, protect citizens from immediate violence until they have a Minority Report style system in place. They count the points and act as a deterrent. When seconds matter, the police are only minutes away. This is an objective fact for everyone except those who have a permanent police bodyguard unit.

No police or similar institution could protect normal populace from purposed murder ever, the only thing they can do in that case is try to persecute the murderer and lawfully convict him. Did that lead us to overthrow our law system we build up over centuries and go back to marauding bands of self-justice?


That your only answer? I want to hear more about chocolate sauce!

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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #282 on: January 09, 2015, 03:03:24 pm »
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Guns are for KILLING PPLE not for defending....
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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #283 on: January 09, 2015, 03:03:53 pm »
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No police or similar institution could protect normal populace from purposed murder ever, the only thing they can do in that case is try to persecute the murderer and lawfully convict him. Did that lead us to overthrow our law system we build up over centuries and go back to marauding bands of self-justice?


That your only answer? I want to hear more about chocolate sauce!
US hasn't had to overthrow its law system to allow people to carry guns.
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Re: Satiric newspaper attacked in France
« Reply #284 on: January 09, 2015, 03:15:04 pm »
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:D fucking christians made crpg thats why i bought warband  :twisted:

You just reminded me that chadz was a choir boy in his youth. Thanks for that :D