So... after 8 gens of random builds I've finally decided to try my old AGI build

[Leshma]

It's not even dramatic build, level 34 21/24 build with maxed WM/PS/ATH and no IF, wearing light gear and using MW twohanded sword... and actions on my screen are faster than my mind and my internet connection. For realz. I connect hits before I'm able to mentally process it, I 'chamber' all the time because my swings are so fast.

Won't ask who's idea was this, I know that already. But I want to know who authorized this nonsense, because that person is responsible for the death of this mod.

[San]

It depends on your armor. Anything above light-medium should be the same as the 2011-2012 era at 8WM.

Before, level 34 and 8WM would give you 175wpf
weight:
2 helmet
9 body
1 gloves
2 legs
Old values (4* glove weight) would give you 161wpf

With 184wpf, 0IF, and 6 * glove weight penalty, you would have 162wpf. Current wpf values for agi builds sclae worse at higher armor and the largest possible difference is 9wpf at almost no armor.

[Leshma]

I have 180 effective wpf. That's not the whole point of this thread. I went through 8 gens since I started playing again and last gen was throwing heavy axes (15/27, almost pure thrower). That didn't went very well, because I had negative k/d and was in the middle of siege server scoreboard and lower on battle. With new build I'm top three on siege and first on battle when I'm paying attention what I'm doing. Which I tend to do less, because I can fool around with chambered sword and slash people from behind, without having to block once.

Builds shouldn't boost average player to top of the scoreboard, but cRPG balancers just can't get that to their heads for some reason.

[San]

You're not any faster with that build than even before the wpf change, which you heavily implied (now builds like 12/33 on the other hand..), so is there an issue other than you performing well on a build you used to play often in the past? Build compositions on the server and tactics just change around. Average players have occasionally topped the scoreboard since as far as I could remember and there's no problem with that.

I still think point acquisition should be better, but there was no way to get raw kd stats the last time someone tried. Some people are going to be worth more points than they should, and no one is weighted in the 1st round.

[Rebelyell]

leschma is babkling again,
21 21 is way better with full if and decent armor

[lombardsoup]

leschma is babkling again,

im nto drukn

[Leshma]

leschma is babkling again,
21 21 is way better with full if and decent armor

You can't tell nerf 2H topic when you see one?

[Rebelyell]

I dont care anymore, a lot of weak players topscore nowdays and some of them have eggo biger than shemabjord combo.
If they can you can too.

[Leshma]

That's the whole point, class is uterly broken. Anyone can do it. We still have balancers, and this subforum is open for a reason I guess. Not saying that 2H is the only strong class, but it is the strongest. There are few silly polearms as well and 1H despite dealing lower damage can be really dangerous in the right hands. But players who don't use cookie cutter builds and weapons are pretty much wasting their time.

[San]

Many low-tier 1hs and polearms were buffed while 2h remained the same and just received some cool new weapons instead. 1h and polearms cater to versatility against other classes, while 2h is primarily melee-oriented in choice. Buffing 1h and polearms too much actually make 2h redundant/useless, and I think that those two are nearing the limit of how good they should be when comparing swords, blunt weapons, and axes.

Depending on the ranged composition (have been hearing things about throwers recently?), you may want that 1h+shield or be able to switch to a hoplite weapon if the need arises.

I'm always open to discussion, but specific things like item stats are the easiest to talk about over more abstract observances.

[AwesomeHail]

when I dont feel like playing I dust my lvl 34 13/33 agiwhore off, head to eu1, run around and kill archers. best thing ever to do when you're bored. Afterwards hear people complain, with a good reason.

[Umbra]

24/21 > 21/24

[Leshma]

Dunno about that, speed (acceleration) difference between 7 ATH and 8 ATH is quite massive imho.

[Rebelyell]

server is lagging s fuck now that may be reason to

[Kadeth]

Has anyone looked at adjusting the strength requirements on heavy armour yet? I don't really have a problem with the wpf formula, but the fact that 15/27 or 15/30 builds can run around in plate is a bit silly imho.