[Blizzard] Overwatch

[Vibe]

Clearly you've never seen a stream of a non-shit mcree.

i don't think you know what you're talking about, a same skill tracer will almost always beat a mccree, it's impossible to hit the stun on a good tracer

source: i actually play in the high ranked games you see on stream

[Jona]

I've only watched national tournament-level streams, so I doubt it.

[Butan]

Its true that the flashbang throw length and hit radius is so puny (combined with slow predictable movement speed of McCree himself) that a good Tracer will just never go into into his flashbang range, or will do for only a fraction of a second to deal some massive damage and go back.
Whenever I encounter a Tracer, if she doesnt dart into a wall or I dont get the jump on her, she can easily avoid dying. Most of the time she will wound me pretty bad and if no medkit in the vincinity, she will def win an attrition war so I just run away into a corner and wait for a flashbang ambush or get support from a teammate (or just move out of the lane but that means time wasted).

To counter a Tracer with a McCree, I feel that McCree need surprise or need to be more skilled than the Tracer. But I'm not a national-level dude either.

[Jona]

Maybe we're all just making different assumptions here... imo a 'good' mcree should never see a tracer that is aware of his presence and look to engage in a 1v1. Mcree's always stick with the team while tracer's don't necessarily do the same. When a tracer goes for her drive-by tactic against the mcree's team, he will be in prime position to either flashbang her or just shoot her with his high damage pistol. Tracers are fairly easy to hit if they're zipping around without the intent of necessarily dodging your shots directly since they teleport at fairly predictable intervals. I mean sure, mcree would probably lose in a 1v1 against a tracer, but who wouldn't? You can't say that a good tracer is better than a good mcree because she will win in an environment that heavily favors her. Mcree has all the tools necessary to shut down a tracer when played correctly, hence why I'd say he's still a counter.

[Vibe]

Mcree has all the tools necessary to shut down a tracer when played correctly, hence why I'd say he's still a counter.

Sorry, you're just wrong. McCree doesn't have the tools to shut down tracer.

[Jona]

Sorry, you're just wrong. McCree doesn't have the tools to shut down tracer.

You have the reading comprehension of a water buffalo.

[Butan]

Clearly you've never seen a stream.

i don't think you know what you're talking about.

Maybe we're all just making different assumptions here...

Sorry, you're just wrong.

You have the reading comprehension of a water buffalo.

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[Vibe]

You have the reading comprehension of a water buffalo.

There's no 'when played correctly', the hero either has the tools or doesn't. What are you on about? When played correctly can only mean someone got outplayed/outskilled, but we're talking about a same skill situation.

[Jona]

"When played correctly" mcree should never be in a situation where he has to 1v1 a tracer. Mcree is the type of hero who, like most, works best when part of a group. Tracer however is hit-and-run based and thrives on 1v1 situations. If the mcree is doing his job he won't be caught in such a scenario as he'll be watching the flanks of the main group to defend against such threats. You seem to assume that these two characters are meeting in some kind of vacuum, nothing else but their abilities and skill considered. This would never happen as each character has 5 teammates to back them up, not to mention when they met there would be other variables like positional advantage, element of surprise, etc. I don't quite see how your argument of "tracer is better than mcree just cuz" holds any water when mcree can stop a tracer from approaching his team, which is something absolutely essential to her playstyle, or at least severely minimize her impact once she is close by disposing of her quickly.

[Vibe]

"When played correctly" mcree should never be in a situation where he has to 1v1 a tracer. Mcree is the type of hero who, like most, works best when part of a group. Tracer however is hit-and-run based and thrives on 1v1 situations. If the mcree is doing his job he won't be caught in such a scenario as he'll be watching the flanks of the main group to defend against such threats. You seem to assume that these two characters are meeting in some kind of vacuum, nothing else but their abilities and skill considered. This would never happen as each character has 5 teammates to back them up, not to mention when they met there would be other variables like positional advantage, element of surprise, etc. I don't quite see how your argument of "tracer is better than mcree just cuz" holds any water when mcree can stop a tracer from approaching his team, which is something absolutely essential to her playstyle, or at least severely minimize her impact once she is close by disposing of her quickly.

Stopping a hero from approaching the team isn't countering though. A lot of heroes can stop a Tracer from approaching. You said McCree was a counter, he isn't.

[Thovex]

what am i reeading

[Umbra]

Fell from 51 to 40, im officialy scrub tier ayy

[Vibe]

rip

I think at 40 you could just pick Pharah and destroy because I reckon nobody can aim good enough to take her out in the sky

[Butan]

Fell from 51 to 40, im officialy scrub tier ayy

How did you manage that?


Since they apparently fixed the rank leavers abuse, I'm steadily growing from my humble 50 to where I initially spawned, 54 while keeping a very modest barely 50+% win.

[Umbra]

Stopped always picking reaper/rein and started falling, now im always picking reaper/rein again and climbing slowly