Cmpx & Harald - Cheating sanctioned in Strategus both this one and next one

[BlindGuy]

what is the point in playing?

None, none at all, it has always been a badly made, boring, spergfest followed by at best a 50/50 lagfest and the worst warband experience you can have, administrated at random and ad hoc by people who have no admin themselves, they aren't organised or scheduled, and rule enforcement has always been a case of admins grenade fishing the north atlantic. So sit back and stop playing it, when everyone finally stops flogging the dead donkey, maybe something useful can be made from the corspe.

[Balikar]

Look, I wasn't going to comment publicly on this... and I think everyone knows Kesh dislikes me, and I dislike forum Kesh (Might be every Kesh, but I have to give him the benefit of the doubt)... but you need to unban him.  He said some things you didn't like.  Boo hoo.  He says a lot of things a lot of people don't like... but it's not something to ban him over.  I'm sure there may be more to the story, but from all appearances... he called you out.  He said do your job.  And though he may cry wolf a lot, too bad.  It's your job.  Deal with it.  Do the investigation (if there is one), mark it as complete, complain about him, drink a beer, and call it a night... or appoint someone else who is willing to look into it, and step down.  If you don't want to step down, then your only other option is to uphold your responsibilities and look into it.  It's a sad truth.  You may be working on other projects, but the bottom line is this is still on your plate. 

[Bjord]

"Do your job"

Why, do you pay them?

The moment someone starts demanding the developers that gave you a game for free to do their "job", as in heeding the demands of every inconsiderate fuckwit, is the moment you lose all sympathy and good will.

Learn some fucking humility, you cheap fuck, or make your own mod and do your "job" there.

[Balikar]

Or on the other hand, dont make rules if you wont enforce them?

There are a team of admins who have the ability to handle the ingame ban requests and server bans, they are willing to impartially view requests and take action. Unfortunately these same people do not have the access to investigate rulebreaking in Strat outside of server stuff like skyladders.

You can appreciate then, i'm sure, how it may frustrate some people when it looks like one hand is saying 'obey the rules or be banned' and the other is saying 'pfffff, who cares'. You must appreciate that rules exist to make the game fair and fun for everyone, there are plenty of admin-set unban essays that confirm this point and that it's something the mod values.

At the moment we have the situation that any offences committed in-server can be punished and reported, and you can expect a fairly uniform response on those. At the moment any offences committed on the map, can be freely made cos i dont know who's able or willing to handle them. And clearly without a clear or consistent area to report these, a public appeal is ignored or handled with an excellent level of maturity if it's inflamatory enough to not ignore. That's not consistent or fair

Fuck you Status Quo, if that's the case and you just want everyone to do whatever the fuck they want, then remove the 'ban/unban' section for in-server rule-breaking too. Let's just do whatever we want, let the devs and admins get on with their busy lives. Ooooooor, appoint a team who *can* and is willing to enforce rules on the ingame map, not just in the servers.

What he said.  ;-)

[Bronto]

You could be right. However that does not excuse the fact that the item bomb happened and should be looked into. When the devs can decide how to police the game by their personal opinions of one group over the other what is the point in playing?

If I had posted that ban stuff instead of Kesh would it have been looked into already? I have never requested a ban before? Is this seriously how we want things to work?

I think he went about it in a distasteful manner, much like all of his posts. Forum Kesh (maybe even real kesh, but I hope not) has a very abrasive way of discussing anything on the forums at all without getting his panties in a bunch and jumping off the highest wrung of the insult ladder in a matter of seconds. Would you want to help someone who just slammed you and your family? Probably not. Now it has taken some time to get a response out of the strat admin team (if there is one) but who's to say they weren't looking into it? How do you know they weren't? Just because they didn't post in your thread doesn't mean Harald isn't looking at 1's and 0's on the interwebs, sweating and eating cheetos, while he tries to decipher where the guilt lies. Maybe you should've done it Bale, you wouldn't have gone overboard so quickly. Now it is what it is.

Also, as other people have said, it's a free mod, it isn't there job to babysit a bunch of nerds. Why does it matter so much that this happened in the first place? Isn't it just a game?
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[BaleOhay]

you can not choose how to help based on who needs it and remain impartial.

in the time it took both of them to respond to the post they could have looked at the logs and handled things the correct way. Enforcing the rules they created. Kesh's post style should not make any difference at all.

[Bronto]

You can say that all you want but don't be blind to the fact that the way he went about it was a little cuntish. As the saying goes, you'll catch more flies with sugar than vinegar.

[CALAMARI]

The reply from cmpxchg8b was the only thing "cuntish" that I've seen.

[BaleOhay]

this thread was not the first he posted. Have you read the original in the global ban section? I will paste it below. It was not bad in any way i can see. Gives the pertinent information and the link and time line. There was also a spoiler with the gear that got added to help things along. Let me know where he went wrong to cause undo bias? With no response he went full kesh and created this thread, no response to the reasonable thread, two admins respond to this one... Now what does that tell you?

 kesh original ban post
http://c-rpg.net/index.php?page=strategusbattlesarchive#!?page=strategusinfobattledetail&id=2685  It likely was done 19 hrs to 36 hours before the abttle.  The castle was New Ergellon Castle on NA side.  Admin please look into this.

One of the MB players threw hundreds of broken item types into the castle 40-50 of each type into the castle before they attacked with 4000 troops.  Strat bannable offense - can an admin please look into who was the MB player that did this.  Thank you.

We couldn't even see our item types and we were blocked all the way from even using shields for a while.  Decent chance they added the gear during the 5 hour window of reinforcement when they found out we had a lot of amazing gear inside from battle listing for mercenaries.  So we wouldn't have been able to remove it even if fief owner was present.
We tried to use up as many items as we could but here is the loot list i got in my messages to give you a guide (im not in castle so its all i can do):

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[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

So the question to take away from this soft-lipped manchild babbling is;

Should we have a strategus team just like we have an item team?

[chadz]

The answer is
Yes

in the time it took both of them to respond to the post they could have looked at the logs and handled things the correct way.

If it would be that easy don't you think we would have done it already?

The thing is: Kesh asks/calls out cmp even though he has in his SIGNATURE that he has nothing to do with strategus. What's the point of that? Apart from trolling? cmp wouldn't even know where to start, I'm not even sure he has access to all the stuff needed. He's a good scapegoat though, I give you that.
All the M:BG devs are busy right now. Like sleep-work-don't-do-anything-else kind of busy. I could do it, but it would probably take me a full day. I don't have a full day right now. Frankly, I dont even have 15 minutes right now. We will look into it when we have the time. Or appoint people for that, and give them the appropiate tools.
Also, it wasn't anyone of the devs who warned/muted him.

Stuff will be done in due time. When we have time. There is no point in demanding stuff when there is simply no time to do it. So yes, we need a strategus team.

[BaleOhay]

If you need time to look into it, all it takes is a response saying we will look into it and respond accordingly. You have professed several times to want to communicate with your community better. Start with something simple like an acknowledgment?

Him calling people out is not right, however him being an ass seems to be his only way of getting people to respond... for good or ill.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond to my posts and I thank you for it.

[CrazyCracka420]

Okay fine you twisted my arm, I'll join the strategus admin/oversight team. 

[CALAMARI]

Kesh, BaleOhay, and Jack1; Strat team '15

[Balikar]

The answer is
Yes


If it would be that easy don't you think we would have done it already?

The thing is: Kesh asks/calls out cmp even though he has in his SIGNATURE that he has nothing to do with strategus. What's the point of that? Apart from trolling? cmp wouldn't even know where to start, I'm not even sure he has access to all the stuff needed. He's a good scapegoat though, I give you that.
All the M:BG devs are busy right now. Like sleep-work-don't-do-anything-else kind of busy. I could do it, but it would probably take me a full day. I don't have a full day right now. Frankly, I dont even have 15 minutes right now. We will look into it when we have the time. Or appoint people for that, and give them the appropiate tools.
Also, it wasn't anyone of the devs who warned/muted him.

Stuff will be done in due time. When we have time. There is no point in demanding stuff when there is simply no time to do it. So yes, we need a strategus team.

My initial response was... Awesome.  At least it's acknowledged.  The more I thought about it however, the less it felt 'good.'  In fact, it's a piss poor answer.  Here's why:

1)  Kesh should be unbanned.  He wanted a response.  Any response.  It took a few minutes tops to type up what you just wrote.  That should have been done pretty quickly as this topic has been going on for what, a week?  An official response was needed.  Instead, he had to go over the edge in order to get one.  That's bad customer service.  That's on you.  That's on your forum warriors.  I do agree about the trolling... but again, he was looking for a response.  Think about the time lost now with several people having to respond multiple times, when all it would have taken is one response.

2)  There isn't a strat team.  We're five rounds in, and we don't have a team.  That's a pretty glaring issue.  It's one of the things that Crpg is built around.  It's one of the things that separates it from the pack.   A team should have existed several rounds ago. 

3)  I understand 'time.'  I often tell people 'Time is a commodity of which I do not have.'  You acknowledged the problem, and came up with several solutions (Creation of a team).  Yes, you should make the time to implement them.

4)  Last point.  A company is judged by all of its products.  If one is forsaken, but still on the 'payroll' if you will, and is used as a bragging point (Like 'Follow all the updates on Crpg and M:BG on my twitter...')  Then you still need to take care of it. 

Kesh, BaleOhay, and Jack1; Strat team '15

Might need a few more, and the community should vet the individuals.  Not all will make it.