Author Topic: Cmpx & Harald - Cheating sanctioned in Strategus both this one and next one  (Read 12299 times)

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My initial response was... Awesome.  At least it's acknowledged.  The more I thought about it however, the less it felt 'good.'  In fact, it's a piss poor answer.  Here's why:

I agree with a lot that you said, it just was very very bad timing overall. I didn't know of it. cmp doesn't have anything to do with strat. everyone was super busy. etc etc.

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Okay fine you twisted my arm, I'll join the strategus admin/oversight team.

I got your back Huseby. We can nerd this out together. Hand in hand, into the tidal wave of complaints that are going to drown anyone who dives into this cesspool. I'll be your life preserver.

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Wait, Strat still exists?

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Hi can I trade my item advisor position for strat advisor now thanks

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I agree with a lot that you said, it just was very very bad timing overall. I didn't know of it. cmp doesn't have anything to do with strat. everyone was super busy. etc etc.

You know I'm sure everyone appreciates an actual response from you and cmp, but people need to give Kesh credit where credit is due, for this hilariously alarmist headline getting you guys to respond. Sure cmp isn't responsible for Strat issues, and we all know the core dev team doesn't have time or resources to handle much of anything for a free, mostly now community-supported mod.

But the Strat game simply cannot function or exist without some administrator oversight, because obviously anything that has the potential to be abused for advantage will be done by someone eventually, and with no consequences for doing stupid shit, ppl will become base animals, raping their neighbors daughters IRL and item bombing Kesh's castles on the internet.

No one wants to play a game that requires relatively enormous time investment for fun payoffs if things are arbitrarily ruined by bugs or exploits.

You know item bombing is one of the biggest problems in Strat, whether intentionally by players or accidentally from engine limits in usable gear + your damaged gear system. That's a thing that would be much more efficiently handled by removing all circumstances that can cause item bombing to begin with design/coding wise instead of banning people after the fact.

Basically I think it'd be best to focus more on improving Strategus itself, let some people with more spare time get a crack at hotfixing Strat bugs or even changing major mechanics while drawing on the years of player frustration (and enjoyment) that many of us are all too willing to share about.

The last thing Strategus needs is more admins and bans, because all of that is one of the worst parts of this or any mod/game.

But diverse builds, community-driven content, epic week long sieges with functional siege equipment and flexible defensive fortifications that don't result in 99 percent of your inventory inaccessible after the second battle, and large clan-based events giving hundreds of spergs a reason to be in teampeak raging or laughing but actually playing and having fun?

Strategus needs its own "rebirth patch" to make it more accessible, streamline the confusing, undocumented, bugged or exploitable mechanics, and give the opportunity for some of our talented community modders to get a chance to work on the most interesting and compelling part of the mod, IMO.

FREE KESH 2014, FIX STRAT 2015, TED CRUZ 2016
« Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 10:03:54 pm by Smoothrich »
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Daruvian, you did little this strat but complain. I'd feel more comfortable with people that don't throw in the towel when faced with small obstacles.

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And just when I thought all hope is lost for Smooth.. he comes back with a post that is intelligent and makes sense, from the beginning to the end.

Yes, I agree entirely.

It's partially what I had in mind, but less of a "rebirth" and more of a "back to the roots"

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Cool! If yes, unban this moron Kesh and make fix strat team  :)
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I just want to say that Kesh_The_Grey really gave me a chuckle but he didn't deserve a mute.

We're all nerds here, so it doesn't really matter.

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Daruvian, you did little this strat but complain. I'd feel more comfortable with people that don't throw in the towel when faced with small obstacles.

I dare say that makes him a good fit.  He's a lot more impartial than some of the people you'd like... and if it's a big enough obstacle to make him want to quit, then it's probably a big enough one to make others want to quit.  And thus, worthy of notice by a strat team.


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Or he's just a huge trolling crybaby.

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I dare say that makes him a good fit.  He's a lot more impartial than some of the people you'd like... and if it's a big enough obstacle to make him want to quit, then it's probably a big enough one to make others want to quit.  And thus, worthy of notice by a strat team.

oh good lord could you imagine a strat world moderated by daruvian? Seriously? haha Have you seen his posts?
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oh good lord could you imagine a strat world moderated by daruvian? Seriously? haha Have you seen his posts?

Never said it would be a one man team.  ;-)

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Kesh is scum, but if he has been banned ingame for forum actions, thats not right tbh.

If what you are worried about is his 100% warn level: that drops in time and isnt a ban.

Side note: why would anyone mess with CMP? have you learnt nothing from me? CMP is a cunt, but he is Cunt Overlord and there is no point angering him, right or wrong, this isn't a democracy, there is no duty of care if we are honest, now is there? If there was some warband issue and you wanted responsibility and accountability from talewords or paradox or something is one thing, but crpg is free...

As for strategus team: take veteran players who know rules and have no interest in strat, I'm sure you can find couple each from EU and NA, I'm guessing you have a compartmentalised system, give them what they need and a forum section/title. Then we solve two problems: Developers of MBG, who owe me a finished game quite frankly, can get back to what they are PAYED to do, and we all trust them to do, and we keep this mod inside active community, with a clearly visible person to direct grief at. Then they can deal with it for as long as they can.



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I dare say that makes him a good fit.  He's a lot more impartial than some of the people you'd like... and if it's a big enough obstacle to make him want to quit, then it's probably a big enough one to make others want to quit.  And thus, worthy of notice by a strat team.

Personal bias is everything if you're deciding who to ban or when to enforce rules, and there are countless examples of people actively using admin powers that way. Hell one time some GK I think admin mass banned the entire side of my faction Hero Party from the server at the end of a battle for "delaying" on defense by running around in a gear-bugged battle trying to cause a win by drawing out the timer and fistfighting, so the admin's strat faction could take our trade goods.

We lost because of the mass banning, the admin was removed by cmp I think for blatant abuse (despite pages of the offending EU faction and their allies arguing otherwise), and I'm sure many people involved quit playing Strat regardless afterwords, because of bugs, abuse, and time wasted.

Kesh for example is obviously biased as shit, and would ban a thousand others before once admitting to him or FCC breaking, or violating the spirit, of "the rules." But he still can have good ideas that even bitter Strategus rivals could agree with, and constructively contribute to a discussion of making Strat a better game.

I was an admin and active Strat player myself, and did my best to salvage many bugged or broken maps or mechanics, usually by convincing admins to NOT ban the opposing side over an arguable, biased interpretation of rules. The amount of shit you'd hear from just about every Strat player opposed to you over any meaningful decision was hilarious, but probably real distressing for lots of the community volunteer admins.

I also experienced the flipside, of being told my years old, dozens of looms, 20+ gen level 34 main character account was going to be globally banned because I let a friend attack a city I owned in Strategus in order to pull out broken gear. After three or four nights of feeling real bad about how little fun my team was having in battles where no ranged players could use ammunition until 90 minutes into 2 hour long sieges, even though FCC fairly attacked me to keep me from managing the city, it didn't seem right to force everyone else to suffer hours every night for my mistake, and Blackzilla attacked the city with the intent of fixing the gear and taking over the defenses. Blackzilla even was also plotting behind my back to keep the city or negotiate more power in Hero Party with it as leverage, but misplayed his hand and everyone called him an usurping my old friend, and Hero Party was eventually restructured as Semenstorm and the city given to Rohypnol or something as a compromise.

I thought all of that was real cool and the kind of personality-driven emergent gameplay in spite of bugs that Strat should have, but it ended with me burning out and quitting. The stress of handling the Strat webpage vs a machine like the Kesh-led FCC and dealing with "shadowy admin debate" over globally banning my account cuz of a vague fief transfer rule, made me lose my enthusiasm for this mod and Melee Battlegrounds. FCC immediately stopped all battles demanding I be permabanned for cheating to win, when I just wanted to make the Siege of Ahmerrad something fun instead of something broken, and a bunch of community clowns entrusted with kicking teamkillers off a server were ready to delete my thousands of hours account for it.

We can hate and criticize each other endlessly, but deep down everyone would surely rather rally their friends and allies to own rivals in the game with pitched battles or cunning diplomacy, than circle jerking over the ethics or "rules" of shitty exploitable mechanics.

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