Max Weight for Ranged WPF Penalty?

[Kaido]

It's updated.

If you have greasemonkey/tampermonkey, you can also use this for the c-rpg website (click on raw): https://gist.github.com/smj72/bd81b6fd62ff2b8b5a89

The wpf reduction is something along the lines of ((abs(100 - effective weight * (2/3)) * wpf) / 100). Ranged is the same, but take off the (2/3), then the PD/PT penalty is applied afterwards.

Works tnx

[tkn123]

what i was asking is, how much effective wpf do you need to use 7pt?

[Mallets]

what i was asking is, how much effective wpf do you need to use 7pt?

Naked... you should need at least 78 base WPF to be able to have 1 Effective WPF.

If you want to wear armor... then your build will come into play... and you'll have to use the formula that San listed out.  Or just use San's calculator (link below).  But in you stats and your armor weights.  It will show how much Effective WPF you have after all penalties.

https://0b176db51ec327b013e6b005fde2cca145eb9267.googledrive.com/host/0Bzs1vJv0tQLHZ3AwLUQ0Tkt0djg/calc.html


Also... to be safe... make a STF thrower to test to make sure that with whatever armor you want to where... you can still pick up thrown weapons.  Of course, keep in mind... if you decide to wear heavier armor... the may put you with a negative Effective WPF... meaning you can't pick up thrown weapons.

[tkn123]

so as long as I have a positive effective wpf i can pick up my 6pt throwing lances?

As I have a 2 effective wpf, and i can't pick em up D:

[Mallets]

so as long as I have a positive effective wpf i can pick up my 6pt throwing lances?

As I have a 2 effective wpf, and i can't pick em up D:

Either your calculations are wrong?  Or San's are... if you used his calc.  Make sure you include your IF and PT when calculating with his calculator (along with all your proper weights).  It's all in the Weapon Damage section of his calculator.

If you have a positive Effective WPF... you are suppose to be able to pick up any thrown weapons that you have the PT for.  Meaning, if you have 4 PT, you still couldn't pick up Throwing Lances.  But with your 6 PT and 2 Effective WPF, you should be able to pick up all thrown weapons.

San, are we missing something here.  Positive Effective WPF allows you to pick up thrown weapons, correct?

[San]

Yep. I don't know how the game rounds, though, but I just translated the formula from the code. Does the weight penalty first, then the PT penalty. He needs above 66wpf after the armor penalty for 6PT. You'll get the proficiency too low warning if you don't have enough.

[tkn123]

Well I have enough wpf, did it in your calc, so there must be something missing

[Huscarlton_Banks]

Could you list your armors, power throw skill, and WPF before penalties?

[tkn123]

Sure:

I put in the calculator:

PT 7
IF 7
WM 7 - 170

Armet
Milanese Plate
Heavy Gauntlets
Cased Greaves

With the exact weights of the armour it comes up with 2 effective wpf.

[Huscarlton_Banks]

I'm getting a result of 1 WPF left (which should still mean you should be able to pick up your lances), maybe the ingame script is rounding things differently.

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[tkn123]

Well yeah so the formula must be wrong or you must of missed something :/

[San]

Code for threshold

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(val_div, ":total_weight", 10),
(agent_get_troop_id, ":troop", ":agent_no"),
(troop_get_slot, ":weight_threshold",":troop", slot_troop_crpg_atr_str),
(troop_get_slot, ":weight_threshold_if",":troop", slot_troop_crpg_skl_ironflesh),
(val_div, ":weight_threshold", 3),
(val_add, ":weight_threshold", 1),
(val_max, ":weight_threshold", ":weight_threshold_if"),
(val_max, ":weight_threshold", 6),
(val_sub, ":total_weight", ":weight_threshold"),
(assign, ":weight_penalty", 0),
(try_begin),
(gt, ":total_weight", 0),
(set_fixed_point_multiplier, 1000),
(assign, ":weight_penalty", ":total_weight"),
(convert_to_fixed_point, ":weight_penalty"),
(assign, ":exp", 1),
(convert_to_fixed_point, ":exp"),
(val_mul, ":exp", 112),
(val_div, ":exp", 100),
(store_pow, ":weight_penalty", ":weight_penalty", ":exp"),
(convert_from_fixed_point, ":weight_penalty"),
(try_end),

Code for weight penalty:

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(try_begin),
#weight penalty/1.5 as %
(assign, ":weight_penalty_percent", ":weight_penalty"),
(try_begin),
(this_or_next|eq, ":wpf_id", wpt_archery), #Ranged classes receive 1.5x the penalty of melee
(this_or_next|eq, ":wpf_id", wpt_crossbow),
(eq, ":wpf_id", wpt_throwing),
(val_mul, ":weight_penalty_percent", 3),
(else_try),
(val_mul, ":weight_penalty_percent", 2),
(try_end),
(val_div, ":weight_penalty_percent", 3),
(val_sub, ":weight_penalty_percent", 100),
(val_abs, ":weight_penalty_percent"),
(val_mul, ":new_value", ":weight_penalty_percent"),
(val_div, ":new_value", 100),
(try_end),

Then it subtracts 11*PT and checks if the final wpf is less than 1. Either I made an error somewhere or there are rounding issues. I don't really know how the game rounds values, and it doesn't deal with floating points very well.

[Huscarlton_Banks]

Found the error.

(troop_get_slot, ":weight_threshold",":troop", slot_troop_crpg_atr_str),
(troop_get_slot, ":weight_threshold_if",":troop", slot_troop_crpg_skl_ironflesh),
         (val_div, ":weight_threshold", 3),
         (val_add, ":weight_threshold", 1),
         (val_max, ":weight_threshold", ":weight_threshold_if"),
         (val_max, ":weight_threshold", 6),
         (val_sub, ":total_weight", ":weight_threshold"),
         (assign, ":weight_penalty", 0)

IF currently doesn't give the proper bonus, because it is never multiplied by 2.

[tkn123]

Can that be fixed?

[Huscarlton_Banks]

San said he was probably going to change the formula for the STR/IF factor to:

...Probably Str/3 + IF

It'll probably come with the hotfix for some missing textures/models/etc.