Swedish election

[Umbra]

The most disgusting thing here is how you cant even speak about sensible immigration policy without being branded a racist, right wing nazi, hater. All the liberal, democratic, free speech and discourse ideas sure go down the toilet fast when something you dont agree with is being discussed.

[Molly]

It's hard to have a discussion with someone when the wording of his post is dripping of personal hate for those people.
I can't take those serious.

[GRANDMOM]

That I agree on!

Ok

But ask yourself WHY a racist party now has 14% of the seats in parliament? As far as I understand, the common explanation among the baffled and confused mainstream media is that the right wing government has created "a cold capitalist society with more poverty".

What utter bullshit.

Really? We have seen this issues arise Before, last time we had a major economic setback - a racist party formed, and alot of people voted for them. And please explain why this is happening all over europe at the exact same timeperiod - despite the fact that all we have very different immigrant policies and regulations - at the same time the economic crisis hit us all. One could claim, that despite sweden having one of the most humane immigrant policies in Europe - racism hasnt appeared in force untill the last couple of years - while in other EU countries it has ben going on for some time. There is never one easy solution or explanation - but saying the economic crisis has nothing to do with SD gaining support Thomek, would really put you in the utter bullshit department. 1920-30:s Germany, economic crisis, extreme party gaining votes remember? Or perhaps we should pin that on the jews? You want more historical referencies to bad economy adding votes to far left and right extreme Groups?

The true reason is that a lot of people think immigration is higher than sweden can handle. End of story. There are none, ZERO other alternatives to vote for if this is important to a voter. Intelligent people now voted SD. Professors, middle class.. Those are protest votes, not racist votes.

Riiite.. maybe you need a reality check. It's not like you need to learn swedish (Any new language is hard for people 35+) , have relevant approved education, have some understanding of swedish culture, get over war traumas etc etc. In practice it is very hard for anyone. I know, I've been living in Poland for 7 years, and even if norwegian and polish culture are not THAT different, It's hard as fuck to be accepted by the poles, (and accept them in return )

Not really, Swedish lagnuage isnt needed for low pay jobs like doing dishes or whatever, education isnt that relevant either in many cases - if you havent noticed we have had a large sector of servicejobs growing over the last 10-15 years that are hiring alot. What i mean is that a 20 year old man coming here, is ready to work more or less, society doesnt have to pay the cost of bringing him up to a working age(could prolly get the facts on that cost if you want) and he is able to work untill he is 65 as it is now.

Rofl. So you are saying that without immigrants unemployment would now be at 0%? All that shows is that sweden is able to create new jobs. You have 8% unemployment, way higher than rest of scandinavia.
.....sigh*.....some people.........alot of the new jobs are created because of our polulation growing, also because we have a large portion of older people going into retirement we need people to fill their Place and more people to take care of them. Butif we didnt grow as a pop- the amount of new jobs wouldnt increase at the same pace

Check this list btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_unemployment_rate
Did you know Romania, Ukraine, Moldova, Russia, Czech Republic and hungary, to take some examples, all have lower unemployment?

Check basnaks post earlier about why we have the rate we do

Like NOT stashing them in ghettos, where they live on minimal welfare, and minimal contact with swedish society? Why do sweden have ghettos while i.ex Norway doesn't in any comparable degree? I'm sure it's a very convenient way to keep it like that so you don't have to see them so much.

Its not perfect I agree, but comparing Norway to Sweden isnt very relevant on this matter, you hardly have cities to start off with. And to call them ghettos just proves you havent been in one of those places - i have lived in one, while some of my friends that live in the countryside wouldnt dare enter one with a bulletproof vest cause they are scared shitless after hearing all the bs propaganda

An immigrant should have a chance to live a good life in the country he comes to. That means contact with that country and its people.
Does it? Tell me about Little italy and Little China and how those places arent good for their population. I know Swedish "colonies" abroad that are very happy just speaking Swedish, and occasionally some native tongue of needed - they seem happy to me and they also stay together in the same places

Why exactly? For the billions you spend keeping the immigrants in sweden, I'm sure you could do a lot more in a cheaper country.

This is true, as norway and denmark too. Somehow though, you manage to take in few times as many immigrants per pop as denmark/norway do.
And we actually have an increase of jobs while u dont, our economy has stood pretty strong during the crisis compared to most other nations in Europe - despite us taking in more immigrants every year for the last 50 years or so than most others


14%. Why?
Link please, cause from what I have seen - the difference isnt that large (and no rightwing extreme medialink please)

Ok just to calm my tits. What I would like to see is not SD in government, or winning even more in elections. That would be a tragedy for sweden. I would wish the normal parties to wake up and smell the napalm in the morning. They need to start turning the ship and actually listen to what the population wants (less immigration) OR you will get served SD and get a massive hangover. Thats how democracy works.

[GRANDMOM]

The most disgusting thing here is how you cant even speak about sensible immigration policy without being branded a racist, right wing nazi, hater. All the liberal, democratic, free speech and discourse ideas sure go down the toilet fast when something you dont agree with is being discussed.

Sure u can, it happens all the time - but its boring so media dont bring it up and SD would never cause that would crash their view of themselfs as victims

We need to get better at getting work for the immigrants faster than we do know - switzerland is great at this from what I read

We need to get better at making use of their competence, education levels and so on - and not make doctors into cleaners and taxidrivers

We need to get better at using their Contacts to start international trade

And so on and so on

[Andswaru]

You WILL NEVER EVER find a more racist nation that the Swiss, please do not try and emulate them.

[Joseph Porta]

It's fabulous wayyyyyne.

Classic wayyyyne

[Xant]

We can do this for several years, we wont get anywhere

Your arguments arent new, mine arent new - we have a different view of these matters and only time will tell

Your stance in this, is more or less the same stance as when we took in every other wave of refugees and foreigners historically

The Fins during the 50-70:s
The Greeks, italians and Yogoslavs during the 60-70:s
The Balkans during the 90:s
Irakis early 2000

The people that were against these immigrants had more or less the same arguments you and SD share right now. Just like we can today laugh about what was said about the Fins when they came here and noone talks today about the Greek/italian/turk immigrants from the 60-70 as a problem anymore - we even had a SD-like party in the 90:s cause of the "major" balkan issues we were facing after taking them in, and like SD they claimed all the shit you do.

If you are old enough to, Im sure you were saying the same shit back in the 90:s as you do now - but back then it was about the former Yugoslavs

History repeats itself, over and over again - all new things or Changes will allways have the ones saying "that wont work, it will be bad, its evil, its a Conspiracy" and so on. Its not new, it wont stop.

Comparing Muslim immigrants to Finnish immigrants is retarded, there's literally nothing similar about the two. Finns came over to Sweden to work hard, that's the whole reason they came over, they were familiar with the culture, the line between Finnish/Swedish is almost non-existent in some parts of Finland, Finns are taught Swedish, Finns have a similar culture, Finland is right next to Sweden, Finns have a similar religion..

It just shows how little you understand the situation.

[Bittersteel]

Oh my god, can you stay out of this thread, Xant?

[Xant]

Oh my god, can you stay out of this thread, Xant?

No, but you can.

[Bittersteel]

I'm not the one acting like a retard pushing a dead argument on every thread on the forum. But let's not turn it in to one of these ones.

[Thomek]

SD had 20 seats in parliament before election, now they have 49.

Something ain't right in sweden, that's a fact. 

I'm not usually the one to scream Political Correctness!! But in Sweden it truly is a big problem.. What you have to do is to make it possible to be openly against immigration without being labeled a racist/chocolate chip cookie. Because they are NOT the same thing.

[Xant]

I'm not the one acting like a retard pushing a dead argument on every thread on the forum. But let's not turn it in to one of these ones.

A dead argument? What are you smoking?

[Lamk]

It is not because you're against massive immigration from Third World countries that you are racist. I find all cultures interesting ,but that doesn't mean I want them to be my neighbour.
Also, like Oberyn said, it would be more intelligent to help them re-build their country instead of spending money to get them here. It is in fact worsening the problem, because most of their skilled workers
and elites are leaving their countries for Europe and North America.

[Umbra]

The thing is, the "not in my backyard" mentality you are showing here isnt helping either. Thats exactly the sort of thing that would make you look racist even if you claim you arent. As i said before

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Immigration is neccessary for any country but letting the projected 100000 people this year to a country of just under 10 million is reckless. There is nothing "racist" or "far right" in limiting immigration when it is simply beyond reasonable assimilation. Ideally there should be a system implemented in the EU of equal immigration spread across the countries proportional to population.

But even mentioning what i posted earlier is politically incorrect and shunned sa you can see from this thread. Having a neighbour from another culture is great, becoming the neighbour in your own country, its cultural suicide. If all cultures are great as some of the people repeat time and again, then why shouldnt Swedish culture be preserved too.

[Molly]

Well, far-left facists have no tolerance against anything that isn't conform with their view of the world, which of course is a fantasy-land that doesn't exist, thus people with a bit of brain don't see it.
Also, they have no arguments whatsoever, so the only thing left for them is to call people with other opinions racists and na zis, when in fact, the only na zis are themselves.

Made me giggle - thank you