Swedish election

[wayyyyyne]

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[GRANDMOM]

I dont know about brown people, but muslims are pretty scary.

Are they? Think it over, when did you start to fear them? Cause Im old enough to remember them being looked upon as anyone else, and on top of that I remember the Sovjet-Afgananistan war were they were the heroes according to the west, freedom fighters and very honorable.

Then, a handfull of guys flew two planes into a Tower and suddenly 1,2 billion muslims became scary? Cause thats about what has happened, nothing else has changed - they havent changed their religion, they havent changed their ways much - sure since the west has been invading most of their countries they grew a bit mad and the extremist Count got alot bigger, well thats not very strange is it.

Not saying all muslims are Saints ofc, Im guessing they are alot like us - some shitheads like Waynee and some Saints like Brede, but it is interessting to see how a bunch of 1,2 billion people, in the Eyes of the World go from being freedom fighters, honorable and good people to being mean, terrorists and morons.....have they all been drinking bad water? Or could it be we are so peppered with propaganda that we dont Think clear about the isssue? And our hatred/fear for them (and ofc invading them once every year) will grow their fear/hatred for us.

"They have weapons of mass destruction (use cowboy accent when read)" - No they didnt

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[Umbra]

Immigration is neccessary for any country but letting the projected 100000 people this year to a country of just under 10 million is reckless. There is nothing "racist" or "far right" in limiting immigration when it is simply beyond reasonable assimilation. Ideally there should be a system implemented in the EU of equal immigration spread across the countries proportional to population.

[Molly]

Exactly the same with AfD (Alternative for Germany) here. They got 10-12%+ on state and federal parliaments already, off the cut.

But all established parties are 'hurr durr they are talking about immigration so they must be racists'. It's good to know that all over europe there are still rather big groups of people that aren't blind and ignorant, and want to approach problems before they are insolvable.

Completely ignoring the fact that leading party members of the AfD came from other far-right parties which were categorized as racist/anti-Semitic and therefore banned.
Furthermore completely ignoring the big leave of liberal members due to harassment from the right-wing.
Aaand ignoring that Lucke, the party president, is loosing control over his own party due to the internal extreme right-wing collected the former NPD/DVU/REP voters under their banner.

Not to mention that Germany has one of the most restrictive immigration laws in Europe.

But let's just blabber stuff that sounds good when it comes from others without giving it one single extra and own thought... You might wanna open up a discussion circle with Wayne and Panos. Might spare us, the sane folk, your garbage spewing.

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[Leshma]

Five years ago I was pondering move to Sweden. That was shortly after economic crisis. Since then I've been following Swedish economy and it seems you improved since then. There was already way too many immigrants when I considered a move, I did a research on that. If they are that much of an issue for Swedish economy, shouldn't you be on the same level as you were during 2008-2010 period?

All I see here is typical right wing bullshit ideology. Which is something I'm very familiar with because I've lived under their rule in the 90s and they came to power years ago and currently are ruling the country I'm residing in. Right wing parties are nothing but bunch of liars and thieves. And if they get majority in your country, you'll see it for yourself as well.

Are there really that many Yugoslavs in Göteborg? First language on that billboard wayne posted is Yugoslav and it's written in largest font.

[BASNAK]

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[GRANDMOM]

Immigration is neccessary for any country but letting the projected 100000 people this year to a country of just under 10 million is reckless. There is nothing "racist" or "far right" in limiting immigration when it is simply beyond reasonable assimilation. Ideally there should be a system implemented in the EU of equal immigration spread across the countries proportional to population.

Its not that simple

Last year we had a bout 116000 people coming here for different reasons:

1. About 50000 people that sought asylum (is that the right thing to say?), of those 24000 got a welcome and the rest got sent away.

2. 27000 came here with a work permit, meaning they already had a job when they got here. Usually these are workers that come and stay for a season (planting trees, picking berries and so on) and then go back home.

3. About 20000 were Swedes returning home

About 50000 left our country for different reasons

[GRANDMOM]

Are there really that many Yugoslavs in Göteborg? First language on that billboard wayne posted is Yugoslav and it's written in largest font.

During the 90:s we had about 100k former Yugoslavs coming to Sweden cause of the war. Before that during the 60-70:s we had a lack of workers in Sweden, large coorperations like Volvo had offices in different European countries to try to get more people to come to sweden and work in our factories. Yugoslavia was one of them.

[Oberyn]

Multiculturalism and immigration aren't insane experiments they are the result of a world in which people are not prisoners in their own country. But I get it, brown people are terrifying.

Translation: a world where european countries are world wild asylums. Sacrifice your country and your identity on the altar of left-wing ideology, because white guilt. Strangely you never see these multicultural fans ever attempt to force it on other cultures and nations. I guess some people ARE supposed to be prisoners in their own country. I wouldn't mind if such a sizeable portion of immigrants weren't so focused on recreating the exact same circumstances in their new homes that led their home countries to turn into "prisons" in the first place. I'm sure that's just the growing pains of a fantastically tolerant multicultural paradise though, where everyone loves each other regardless of tribal identity, cause that's totally a realistic goal.
Oh well, at least you managed to accuse anyone worried about it of being "racists", obviously the arguement is over now and you've won. Congrats. Enjoy the spoils.

[GRANDMOM]

What is the identity of ones country exactly?

Cause what I have found in Sweden, the nationalists really wanna be the ones to decide what the Swedish country is, stands for and what values we have. How we celebrate, what we eat, how we stand in line and so on. That we wanna sing the natinal Anthem, raise our flags and celebrate christmas.

I say fuck them, if they wanna have those traditions, those values and let them wave their flags, sing the national Anthem, eat herring on midsummer and drink their nubbe - I am not denying them these rights, I am not denying the muslim his right to celebrate Ramadan, I am not denying anyone their traditions, their morals as long as they keep all of this shit according to the laws of our country.

Dont get me wrong, I share some of these traditions, I enjoy them - I like to drink Nubbe on midsummers eve - but I dont care if my neighbour dont - and I sure as hell wont push my traditions and values down his throat.

These nationalists, are trying to be the ones to decide what is Swedish and what is not.
I dont care if the leader of the nationalist party wears these clothes, sure if he likes them and they fit his crouch - wear them and STFU - but dont pin them on me, dont try to be the one to decide what is Swedish and what is not. They do not own the right to tell me how to live my Life as a swede
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[BASNAK]

What is the identity of ones country exactly?

Cause what I have found in Sweden, the nationalists really wanna be the ones to decide what the Swedish country is, stands for and what values we have. How we celebrate, what we eat, how we stand in line and so on. That we wanna sing the natinal Anthem, raise our flags and celebrate christmas.

I say fuck them, if they wanna have those traditions, those values and let them wave their flags, sing the national Anthem, eat herring on midsummer and drink their nubbe - I am not denying them these rights, I am not denying the muslim his right to celebrate Ramadan, I am not denying anyone their traditions, their morals as long as they keep all of this shit according to the laws of our country.

Dont get me wrong, I share some of these traditions, I enjoy them - I like to drink Nubbe on midsummers eve - but I dont care if my neighbour dont - and I sure as hell wont push my traditions and values down his throat.

These nationalists, are trying to be the ones to decide what is Swedish and what is not.
I dont care if the leader of the nationalist party wears these clothes, sure if he likes them and they fit his crouch - wear them and STFU - but dont pin them on me, dont try to be the one to decide what is Swedish and what is not. They do not own the right to tell me how to live my Life as a swede

How do I upvote this more than once?

[Oberyn]

Yes I understand you have no attachment whatsoever to any sort of communal tribal identity. You're too enlightened to have something as boorish and primitive as that. Don't worry, immigrants are not so shy about it. Keep glorifying their sense of cultural identity and obliterating your own, what could go wrong. Perfect assimilation, lol.

[Butan]

Xenophobia reaction to assimilation is the problem with assimilation.

I dont see how we can evade the fact that we are all pooling into the same big human race now that the majority of the population have global information and transport means.
The time where humans lived in isolated places in different corners of the world with very little communication with the exterior world is over.



"OMG my neighbour eat different, wear different clothes, pray to a different god, has a different color skin", who honestly fucking cares (rhetorical question, we all know who cares about such things ).
Immigration/culture shaped laws and governments are trying to regulate this as they think best, but its only slowing down the natural process of interbreeding. I dont see how we can stop this and I dont see why we should stop this.

[Leshma]

As I've stated numerous times before, I'm born in perfectly harmonic multicultural community. First neighbor was muslim, no one denied him right to be one. There was a mosque less than 200 meters from my house. Only difference is that state was secular and it wasn't usual to see burkas and short pants everywhere. Also worth of note is that happened a bit after famous Islamic "revolution" and that kind of mindset didn't yet arrive to our happy little town (Islamic revolution is the same shit as fascism, check pictures from Afghanistan prior and after that revolution).

There were also catholic, orthodox churches in the same town and synagogue was also in the town. People of different religion and culture respected each other, were friends and lived peacefully. Nationalism was forbidden by the state! Only acceptable nationalism was love for the great state we were living in, but no one was forced to like it. Many still claimed they are Serbs, Croats, Bosniaks, Jews and not Yugoslavs.

One special day that changed, asshole nationalist killers, thieves and murderers who were imprisoned were somehow on the loose and formed alliances. Soon they started killing their former neighbors based on the religion they practice.

Since then I don't believe a single word that comes out of nationalist and right wing supporters mouth. For me they are cancer of humanity, viollent assholes who aren't capable to live peacufly with other humans. For me every single nationalist is fascist.

It's too late for this shithole of a country I'm living in, but it's not too late for countries like Sweden. Do not let nationalist win, they will always vote and if you don't vote against their "Ideas" you are fucked. They are like soldiers, they easily recognize each other and even respect their "foes" which are basically the same shitlords as them but coming from different tribe.

Our grandfathers lost their lives fighting nationalist (fascist) ideas. Because of that their sons and daughters made sure to put fascist pricks where they belong, which is bellow 5% of votes. Now it seems that new generations forgot all that and as result we see far right movements strengthening. Don't let them take over, go and vote against their ideas and beliefs.