Will new items ever be added?

[Tydeus]

If so, why are you looking for item balancers in this discussion http://forum.melee.org/general-discussion/%28applications%29-item-balancers/msg734348/#msg734348 and not for item managers in the first place? Since you are doing a good job already, it should be clear what is needed the most.

We never really had enough. XyNox has gone inactive after not being able to persuade the balancers to leave archery completely alone and not fix the wpf issue that allowed them to ignore weight & PD penalties. All the old balancers/devs are completely inactive, Gurnisson hasn't been very active lately, and my motivation for anything cRPG related has been quite low recently as well. So, San has something like 10 threads up atm that need to be discussed, that for the most part, aren't being discussed properly.

[Penitent]

We don't even have pictures on the c-rpg.net page for some the items that were added (crusader sword for example -- colored lances).

Looks pretty bad guys.  Let's get with it!

[Penitent]

We never really had enough. XyNox has gone inactive after not being able to persuade the balancers to leave archery completely alone and not fix the wpf issue that allowed them to ignore weight & PD penalties. All the old balancers/devs are completely inactive, Gurnisson hasn't been very active lately, and my motivation for anything cRPG related has been quite low recently as well. So, San has something like 10 threads up atm that need to be discussed, that for the most part, aren't being discussed properly.

This kills the mod.    Tydeus, you have been doing a great job overall, if you care about the opinion of some random dude.

What would increase your motivation?  More involvement?  Perhaps just add some people to the team then.  Lot's of people would like like to be actively involved.  You may need to ask yourself this:  Is it better to lower your standards a pinch and keep the mod alive and kicking, or keep people out of the inner circle and let it stagnate like you describe above?  There has got to be some talented people out there who can hop on board and breath life into the project.

If there is anything else that can increase your motivation towards CRPG, please let me know maybe I can help!

[Tydeus]

I don't know about others, but I just need a bit of a break is all.

The reason why I suggested we add Item Advisors rather than have people start as balancers, was to make the transition into Balancer easier (from both sides). So you can think of that as something similar to a lowering of standards in an attempt to get more people involved. Item Manager is different though, you can't really do that here, since much of that position relies upon having direct access to the module system. I mean, there is another possibility, but it relies heavily upon my commitment to spending additional time working as an intermediary, when I'm already lacking motivation for even Item Balance stuff. In light of this, such a commitment would seem irresponsible.

In the case of Event Managers(there are tournament managers and casual event managers), there's no point in adding a bunch of people, because the only difference between your average person and an event manager, is the fancy tag that goes along with it. Anyone can organize an event/tournament (with their own custom map, too) to be hosted on NA/EU 8 with the prospect of official rewards as well(not including raffle tickets.)

[matt2507]

(not including raffle tickets.)

http://forum.melee.org/events/raffle-drawings/30/  visitors can't see pics , please register or login

[Penitent]

I don't know about others, but I just need a bit of a break is all.

The reason why I suggested we add Item Advisors rather than have people start as balancers, was to make the transition into Balancer easier (from both sides). So you can think of that as something similar to a lowering of standards in an attempt to get more people involved. Item Manager is different though, you can't really do that here, since much of that position relies upon having direct access to the module system. I mean, there is another possibility, but it relies heavily upon my commitment to spending additional time working as an intermediary, when I'm already lacking motivation for even Item Balance stuff. In light of this, such a commitment would seem irresponsible.

In the case of Event Managers(there are tournament managers and casual event managers), there's no point in adding a bunch of people, because the only difference between your average person and an event manager, is the fancy tag that goes along with it. Anyone can organize an event/tournament (with their own custom map, too) to be hosted on NA/EU 8 with the prospect of official rewards as well(not including raffle tickets.)

Well you deserve a break, if you need one.  Go right ahead, take the day off.

I just feel bad for San, and all the ideas he has that can be discussed.  I'm sure there is some good potential there if it can get some attention.  My suggestion, if the other members are dormant, is to give him 3 or 4 new people to discuss the ideas he has and give a stamp of approval, if warranted.  Maybe he can even pick them himself so no one else has the burden.  At least that process can continue to move forward, and any approved ideas would just have to be implemented then.

I don't know the details of how the "behind the scenes" work though.  Just a thought off the top of my head.

[San]

I only made so many topics because others were inactive and I thought I might as well post my thoughts on X or Y topic since nothing else is going on. I'm not in any hurry, though, especially since some proposals may be overly biased or disagreeable.

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

Would you just consider making me a trial item advisor/editor already damn it, and you can just give me an SOP on what to do or just allow me to do things myself, and when you get disappointed you can just fire me and there will be no hard feelings?

I can create requested items and submit them to the private forums, judge other peoples shit fairly while upholding the standards of cRPG's item pool, and I don't tend to go MIA. You don't get to 1200 renown or whatever  I have now without posting a fucking lot consistently.

Like damn dude what do you want, I'm offering to do free work on the internet over menial item shit, I've got the groundwork knowledge of how to create new/edit existing items and all their stats in native, I'm sure I could quickly learn to modify those skills to be of assistance in cRPG.

EDIT: And I'm on like gen 19 with several gens going to level 33, so I've got a lot of cRPG play under my belt.

[Rico]

Would you just consider making me a trial item advisor/editor already damn it, and you can just give me an SOP on what to do or just allow me to do things myself, and when you get disappointed you can just fire me and there will be no hard feelings?

Come to IRC and PM me. Alex and me are working on some OSPs. Join us if you like. As Tydeus said, getting work done comes first, getting titles and positions is less important

[GOBBLINKINGREATLEADER]

panuru for trial item balancer/tydeus' apprentice 2014

[Rico]

If more of you know how to edit textures and 3d models and want to help out, please join IRC and PM me (click on my name on the right and then "query")
http://forum.melee.org/index.php?action=chat

[Rico]

Have a link, all of you who browse general discussion but forget to look at Suggestion's Corner:
http://forum.melee.org/suggestions-corner/alex%27s-daruvian%27s-and-rico%27s-item-workshop-give-us-feedback-and-join-us!/msg1061204/#msg1061204

[XyNox]

We never really had enough. XyNox has gone inactive after not being able to persuade the balancers to leave archery completely alone and not fix the wpf issue that allowed them to ignore weight & PD penalties. All the old balancers/devs are completely inactive, Gurnisson hasn't been very active lately, and my motivation for anything cRPG related has been quite low recently as well. So, San has something like 10 threads up atm that need to be discussed, that for the most part, aren't being discussed properly.

No Tydeus. I went inactive because after half a year trying to work with you I am certain that you are not qualified to fit the role of an item balancer.

No insult intended and I actually appreciate the fact that you are willing to invest your freetime and your expertise when it comes to coding matters but as long as you have any authority when it comes to game balance I am simply not convinced that there is much of a point in proposing/discussing anything. From almost all discussions we had in IRC or in the forum I get the impression that your game experience is too limited in order to make objective and appropriate balancing decisions and furthermore, you are quite bad at accepting opinions contrary to your own.

To make things worse, San, as much as I like him as the kind person he is, seems to be very easily persuaded by whatever you tell him, which leads to him just repeating what you propose more often than not. This combined with the fact that San has never played a single gen of pure 2h in this game doesnt make things better either for obvious reasons. Additionally, Gurnisson, who actually has voting powers is inactive most of the time.

In the end most balancing issues were being discussed by you, San ( kinda ) and me, whereas I dont have any voting powers, hence no real influence whatsoever.

This is the reason I went inactive. Any efforts from my side to make things more balanced are just a waste of time as long as things stay as they are. Initially I was not really aware why more and more people demanded you to resign from your post as time went by Tydeus but after all this time "working" with you, I now understand where these people are coming from all too well.

If you want to improve this game Tydeus, I respectfully ask you to consider staying out of balancing and focus on coding/scripting alone.

Have a nice day

[Latvian]

just make alexthdragon item manager he fucking made entire mod, i belive he knows how to do this stuff, if he wants it ofcourse.

[Rico]

just make alexthdragon item manager he fucking made entire mod, i belive he knows how to do this stuff, if he wants it ofcourse.

Senni_Ti volunteered to do the coding required to get items added.
Alex, Daruvian and Cassia work on 3D models and textures of new and existing items.
I get feedback from Tydeus which helps me to identify issues with the items and coordinate Alex, Daruvian and Cassia accordingly, and I am gathering the results in the Suggestions Corner.

This structure seems quite promising so far, but we still need the final approval of the high-ups. Until then, we are just getting work done.