Conversations with an Islamic Jihadist

[Oberyn]

Similar things have been done throughout the western world. Bibles shit on, burned, desecrated in a variety of ways, crucifixes and images of Jesus submerged in piss, etc. All by "artists", and the vast majority are never "convicted" of anything. The punishment for the artist? A 500 dollar fine. I disagree with the judgement and find it fucked up, nothing but feelings were hurt by this. If your "faith" isn't strong enough to withstand something like this it obviously isn't worth much in the first place. But compare it to the punishment for blasphemy or apostasy in any majority muslim country, or even what is considered blasphemy in the first place.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_blasphemy

[Christo]

Don't have to go really far back, do you remember the shitstorm about the Mohammed caricatures?

[Molly]

That's weird that there were christian paintings in the first place. Even in Poland, which is one of the most - if not the most - catholic countries in europe with enormous influence of church on both private and public life, christian symbols aren't allowed in the courts. Though we have a catholic cross in the parliament.

Better ignore Panos - his so-called facts is mostly just silly half-knowledge some of his GD buddies told him on a meeting or something.
Religious symbol are forbidden in Germany as soon as it's related to official state business. That includes courts and schools for example.

[Panos_]

Better ignore Panos - his so-called facts is mostly just silly half-knowledge some of his GD buddies told him on a meeting or something.
Religious symbol are forbidden in Germany as soon as it's related to official state business. That includes courts and schools for example.

How many times do I have to repeat the same thing? Just because you vote for a political party, it doesnt mean that you are a member, I am but a mere supporter, I have no friends inside the party.

Also, the court incident happened at the NSU trial last year, in which some Turkish journalist asked for the cross to be removed, a simple google search will enlighten you.

[Joseph Porta]

The little sucess insurgents have had against the West in the Middle east is because they hide amongst civilian population, which ISAF avoid killing.Insurgents dont pose a military danger to the west, they're just a threat to themselves. In a real war they would be destroyed in weeks. Only danger they pose is terrorism.

I think all they do with terrorism is like slowly releasing the trapdoor of the gallows. A few times I read about terrorists whom no one thought that of him. that is I think that one day the west will get VERY paranoid against every muslim, if that isnt already the case, because who knows who is extremist? and then take precautions/actions.

I just dont see this terrorism go on forever, either the islam will stabilize and get some competent leaders that arent batshit crazy intolerant or it will eventually have to be wiped out with its roots. Every day people see the onslaught these islam '.crusaders' cause and eventually I think they will not look at "only the extremists" but start blaming the the entire islam..

It just cant go on forever, I think that one day people WILL go einstein/stalin on their asses, if only out of paranoia.. A family of a terrorist might be a terrorist aswell! That kind of shit.

[Kafein]

Africa for Africans
Asia for Asians
Middle East for Muslims
Europe for everyone!


hu fucking rray!

Because tectonic plates know better !

I think all they do with terrorism is like slowly releasing the trapdoor of the gallows. A few times I read about terrorists whom no one thought that of him. that is I think that one day the west will get VERY paranoid against every muslim, if that isnt already the case, because who knows who is extremist? and then take precautions/actions.

I just dont see this terrorism go on forever, either the islam will stabilize and get some competent leaders that arent batshit crazy intolerant or it will eventually have to be wiped out with its roots. Every day people see the onslaught these islam '.crusaders' cause and eventually I think they will not look at "only the extremists" but start blaming the the entire islam..

It just cant go on forever, I think that one day people WILL go einstein/stalin on their asses, if only out of paranoia.. A family of a terrorist might be a terrorist aswell! That kind of shit.

As if that's not happening already. Look at Panos. Give that guy power over anything and there you have it, genocide. Actually, Xant seems even more likely to do that, being utilitarian and all. However with Xant it's also probable his stance is pure roleplaying.

[Joseph Porta]

Because tectonic plates know better !

As if that's not happening already. Look at Panos. Give that guy power over anything and there you have it, genocide. Actually, Xant seems even more likely to do that, being utilitarian and all. However with Xant it's also probable his stance is pure roleplaying.

Lol, we have some quite stone cold killers on here!

Btw, isnt it hapoening as we speak? Muslims are practicly asking for the genocide of the jews nowadays.

But I guess that is different, because islam justify's the means!

[Kafein]

Lol, we have some quite stone cold killers on here!

Btw, isnt it hapoening as we speak? Muslims are practicly asking for the genocide of the jews nowadays.

But I guess that is different, because islam justify's the means!

Actually, you could say Israel is and has been committing genocide against palestinians (thanks Angantyr, great video), but that's not for the same reasons European countries would.

[Joseph Porta]

Actually, you could say Israel is and has been committing genocide against palestinians (thanks Angantyr, great video), but that's not for the same reasons European countries would.

Hmm, Could you link the vid? I missed it

[Kafein]

Hmm, Could you link the vid? I missed it

No idea to what point this guy's narrative and information is truthful, but it frankly doesn't matter.

[Overdriven]

By the way Mohammed was a goat-fucking pedophile murderer, shit be upon his name. What are you gonna do now, Overdriven? I've just insulted your religion. Do you want to forbid that? Make it a crime, maybe? Was it driven by "islamophobic" hatred in your opinion? Strange, I've seen and said much worse things about christianity and Jesus, stuff done to the bible, the whole ideology deconstructed into the piecemeal backwards social mores it sprung from, yet I have never heard the term "christianophobe" or been accused of racism for it.

You have a very high opinion of yourself if you think that bothers me even remotely.

Those were all rhetorical questions, Quranists are a middling and practically non-existent minority in the muslim world. The gates of ijtihad were closed long ago.

Not particularly. More liberal minded Muslims (of which there are many) lean more towards this point of view. There are many useful things you can extract from the Hadith but they are all ultimately flawed in comparison to the Quran.

[Butan]

Strange, I've seen and said much worse things about christianity and Jesus, stuff done to the bible, the whole ideology deconstructed into the piecemeal backwards social mores it sprung from, yet I have never heard the term "christianophobe" or been accused of racism for it.

About the same reason calling someone "white" isnt racism.

Christianism and white people have been dominating the world else it would be the same thing but in reverse...
Even still, if you talked to the right christianists persons (extremists) you would have been as kindly welcomed as those you think represent the muslims today.


Your speech is hateful and I'm very sad to read you, and to read that many share your views.

[Kafein]

By the way, a political Caliphate is just another theocracy. A Sunni Iran of sorts. The world is already struggling with one such state so I'd rather avoid that scenario. Something I absolutely wouldn't mind however, is a spiritual Caliphate. That would be similar to the catholic Papacy and hopefully decrease tensions in the Muslim world as well as start the road to anticlericalism and eventually a Muslim enlightenment.

[Admerius]

I came across this:

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http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/islam-or-islamophobia2

This is Norway!
It saddens me that so many people in Norway, not all muslims, but those that agreed with the speaker in the room, holds these views.

@Extremists of all brands: I'll never "tolerate" you, I'll accept and welcome you, or i do not. "Tolerance" is something you have towards poisons, and other negative stuff, humans should be accepted or challenged, never "tolerated".

I'm proud to call myself Intolerant in this regard.

[Xant]

You have a very high opinion of yourself if you think that bothers me even remotely.

Not particularly. More liberal minded Muslims (of which there are many) lean more towards this point of view. There are many useful things you can extract from the Hadith but they are all ultimately flawed in comparison to the Quran.

Seriously though, how does someone start believing in fairy tales as an adult? Did you suddenly feel the touch of Allah the Great and Merciful when your wife said she'd only marry a muslim?