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Offline Adalwulf

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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #210 on: July 16, 2014, 10:16:13 pm »
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They don't spawnkill, they don't delay a the end of round and they are less anoying than ha.

As a HA, I haven't spawn killed ( even though retards staying in spawn leeching deserve it). I don't delay either since towards the end I need to help my team capture the flag and you're post is as annoying as your whining.

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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #211 on: July 16, 2014, 10:36:46 pm »
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getting to wait on NA 1 for a horse archer get more than enough points for valor. thank god 50 people get to spend their time watching him collect extra arrows...
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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #212 on: July 16, 2014, 10:54:09 pm »
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...let your ranged help you...

This. To be honest I think HA wouldn't be much to worry about if foot-ranged would actually perform their role as supplementary soldiers. They should be assisting their melee infantry by helping kill the biggest threat. If that's the HA, it's not hard to do so. If it's picking off that group of 7 archers at the top of the hill, that's what they should be doing. Instead, too many (particularly the not-very-great) ranged characters just shoot constantly into the melee battles and are trying to get the most points they can to get that valor mark. The good archers are the ones that shoot me when I'm on my Ranged char.

Actually, this post made me think of a new suggestion.

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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #213 on: July 16, 2014, 11:16:14 pm »
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As a HA, I haven't spawn killed ( even though retards staying in spawn leeching deserve it). I don't delay either since towards the end I need to help my team capture the flag and you're post is as annoying as your whining.

I mean ha in general, not just you.
My post is not as "annoying" as those who think they are the center of the world...  :rolleyes:
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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #214 on: July 16, 2014, 11:37:35 pm »
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I mainly play horse archer and if it's me versus 3 or more I just drop my weapon and let them kill me but if a guy had plate armor it would take all of my arrows to kill them so I usually avoid plate guys.

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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #215 on: July 16, 2014, 11:45:51 pm »
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if a guy had plate armor it would take all of my arrows to kill them

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speedbonus+bodkins?

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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #216 on: July 16, 2014, 11:55:16 pm »
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Okay, as some of you probably know already, I specced to HA (once again).
I'm now going to write a big ass post about what I think on this matter.

0. It's not the class that is gay, its they way some people play it.
The HA build I always had when I played this class and the only one I find fun to play for myself, is 15-24 build having PS and (on higher levels) athletics, 101 wp in onehanded and 160 in archery.

1. God, 6 PD horse archers are such a scum. They do nice damage, they normally don't bring a melee weapon so they get 3 stacks of arrows and as they have all the weapon points put in archery they shoot fast and accurately enough. No doubt, its always a great pleasure for me when I manage to dehorse them and finish them with a sword. Sometimes. And sometimes they shoot me or my horse faster and then finish me with their bow.

2. My damage (5 PD, horn bow, 160 wp) is really small most of the time. Its ok for shooting horses (Arabian/Courser usually takes about 5-6 tatar arrows), it's ok for shooting archers and peasants, but honestly I don't even bother shooting at normal armoured melee unless I have to. With the flag system I don't have much time to make my impact on the battle (I rarely ever shoot all 48 arrows), so often I find it more effective to go full 1h cav and bumpslash or hunt horses. But that's ok, I don't think HAs deserve to have more damage (I compensate that with how OP the 1h cav damage is  :lol:)

3. Quite similarly with historical reality, a mass of foot ranged is significantly superior to equal amount of HAs when it comes to shooting each other. A horse is a big target which is really easy to aim at, and foot archers have higher damage than HAs.  Attacking enemy ranged for me is usually either randomly shooting them from far away, hoping to get a lucky headshot, or charging head on with my sword (but in this case I basically act like a normal 1h cav, so its irrelevant for the discussion about HAs).

4. I'm not sure if 160 points in archery is not enough or I just suck at shooting (probably both?).

5. Anyway, I don't like horse archers having 6 PD, that's too much and too gay, nerf pls ok thx. Don't touch 5 PD horse archers, we're fine. 

6. Did you actually expect some serious argumentation for nerfing HAs?

7. Make Yumi unusable on horseback, problem solved (no bias here I swear).

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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #217 on: July 16, 2014, 11:57:28 pm »
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speedbonus+bodkins?

Even with that it would still take 20+ chest shots and it's just not worth it in my opinion (with my 15/24build)... I usually go after the other HA's if there are any. Second would be heavy cav. It all depends on the scenario and if you teammates need a bump here or there.

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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #218 on: July 17, 2014, 12:02:26 am »
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macropus u lil shit

Well, yeah I made a STF HA... 15/24 as well and I got to say it's ridiculously accurate (even tho I suck at archery). I just maxed wpf, HA skill, PD and riding. I get better score than with my foot archer :D
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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #219 on: July 17, 2014, 12:06:26 am »
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Serious business... there's only a handful of decent HA in this mod.  The rest are garbage and only get lucky shots. 

Try it yourself if you think its so easy, its not.
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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #220 on: July 17, 2014, 12:14:23 am »
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HAs be like


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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #221 on: July 17, 2014, 01:10:28 am »
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Serious business... there's only a handful of decent HA in this mod.  The rest are garbage and only get lucky shots. 

Try it yourself if you think its so easy, its not.

Already tried, it's more easy than on foot archers...
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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #222 on: July 17, 2014, 02:17:32 am »
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It's very easy lol. Riding aroundon a STF +3 yumi, +3 arrows. 70 something arrows, never run out. Kill horses, foot archers and then at the end of the round all the heavy armoured guys that are wounded. Can't even imagine how OP it'd be with tartar/bodkins!

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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #223 on: July 17, 2014, 02:36:31 am »
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It's very easy lol. Riding aroundon a STF +3 yumi, +3 arrows. 70 something arrows, never run out. Kill horses, foot archers and then at the end of the round all the heavy armoured guys that are wounded. Can't even imagine how OP it'd be with tartar/bodkins!

Don't use a yumi and try again. it won't be so easy....

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Re: Horse archery is too strong
« Reply #224 on: July 17, 2014, 03:06:07 am »
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Tried with a horn bow, easy too.
The only stupid thing noticed was the execive repair cost.
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