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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #75 on: July 11, 2014, 10:15:12 pm »
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Now lets look at history: Why would the jewish people be SO oppressed by SO many people for SO many centuries? There comes a point when, if everyone dislikes you, that you should take a look at your actions and outlook.

It would be really good for you if you'd actually look into history then eg. read some books about it.

For example in medieval times jews became less often sick because of their ritual hygienic practises. But no one knew anything about hygienic so it made them appear as evil magicians because they had no other explanation for it. Same with their advanced trading, people called it magic because they couldn't explain it.

Also antisemitism deserves its own name because what I described above was mostly directed against jews as a religion- today called antijudaism - they condemned their religion and hoped to turn them into christians. But then the chocolate chip cookies came came and condemned them as a race (antisemitism) - and decided to extinct them. But they did only manage several millions. You still don't think it deserves its own name?

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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #76 on: July 11, 2014, 10:16:58 pm »
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How so?

I think he's just joking, he is saying that if you don't treat Jews as if they're above everybody else then you're antisemitic.

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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #77 on: July 11, 2014, 10:19:46 pm »
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Same with their advanced trading

In medieval times usury - lending money at interest - was forbidden by church but only for christians. Thanks to that jews monopolized medieval "banking" and who likes bankers? Exactly. On top of that add the distinction of their culture, lack of assimilation, this "jews killed jesus!" shit and here we go, according to Panos and Blind guy jews (and masons) are responsible for every bad thing in the world.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #78 on: July 11, 2014, 10:38:00 pm »
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In medieval times usury - lending money at interest - was forbidden by church but only for christians. Thanks to that jews monopolized medieval "banking" and who likes bankers? Exactly. On top of that add the distinction of their culture, lack of assimilation, this "jews killed jesus!" shit and here we go, according to Panos and Blind guy jews (and masons) are responsible for every bad thing in the world.

they were also kinda forced into this role as they as jews couldn't occupy any high positions as state officials etc. trading was one of few options left where they could achieve good career.

among their community a lot of stress was also put onto education of kids (there is even a jewish joke saying something like: is your kid retarded at school? no problem at all, force him outta jewish quatters and let him become a christian). because of their education they almost monopolized in some countries certain professions (lawyers, doctors...) and for non jews it was very difficult to get into the "professional chamber". this was also one of the reasons for jew hate (in this case justified one). because often a jewish doctor rather got his certification than more skilled nonjewish doctor.

contrary to this a lot of stress among palestinians is how to make the best bomb and how to place it on your kid once he hits the age of 15. like for this reason i can't understand why anybody would support palestine rather than israel. democracy, science, more culturaly developed society is key to better future. not some so called nation that is a few centuries behind in thinking.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #79 on: July 11, 2014, 11:08:03 pm »
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contrary to this a lot of stress among palestinians is how to make the best bomb and how to place it on your kid once he hits the age of 15. like for this reason i can't understand why anybody would support palestine rather than israel.

I'm basically indifferent to Israel-Palestine conflict, my knowledge about it is very limited so I don't take any position on it. BUt to some extent I can understand palestinian's point of view. POland was under occupation by 123 years and in public opinion those who participated in insurrections during XIX century are - or at least were, back in the days when people still cared about things like that - great heros, schools and streets were named after them, stuff like that  :wink: In today's world I think that part of them would become terrorists, blowing themselves up on the streets of Moscow and Berlin  :wink:
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #80 on: July 11, 2014, 11:14:36 pm »
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I'm basically indifferent to Israel-Palestine conflict, my knowledge about it is very limited so I don't take any position on it. BUt to some extent I can understand palestinian's point of view. POland was under occupation by 123 years and in public opinion those who participated in insurrections during XIX century are - or at least were, back in the days when people still cared about things like that - great heros, schools and streets were named after them, stuff like that  :wink: In today's world I think that part of them would become terrorists, blowing themselves up on the streets of Moscow and Berlin  :wink:

many nations were under occupation for many years, yet a very few of them sacrificed themselves (including women and kids) in suicide bombing (mostly) against civilian targets.

in my country we didn't suffer that much during ww2 (compared to poland for example), yet germans burned two our villages to ground with all the population (except for kids they gassed). but i don't know about anyone blowing himself in a german bus or in a german school...

i really love golda meir quote:
- We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours.
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- Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.

which is exactly what is this all about...

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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2014, 11:34:54 pm »
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during ww2

Different times I think, when whole cities were burnt to the ground noone would have cared about few more bombs. ALso, "Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror)" - when you can not create more fear there's no point to be a terrorist  :wink:
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #82 on: July 12, 2014, 12:06:44 am »
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When true ukrainians kill brainwashed/moscovits/jews ukrainians, no one gives a shit.

Just saying.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #83 on: July 12, 2014, 12:29:12 am »
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #84 on: July 12, 2014, 12:41:10 am »
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If i was a Palestinian child and i found a history book about the region why wouldn't i turn to terrorism to get my country back?
I dunno, are we presuming the child is retarded? Then sure, I guess. But if it's not a retarded child, the child would probably realize it's just a piece of land and patriotism is childish and useless, and you aren't in any way tied to what happened to your ancestors... and should probably you know, not ruin your life because of propaganda and artificial "I belong to this clan" feelings that only benefit the leaders of said artificial clan.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #85 on: July 12, 2014, 12:48:23 am »
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But if it's not a retarded child, the child would probably realize it's just a piece of land and patriotism is childish and useless

well i guess 99.9% of the world is retarded and childish and you are one of the very few enlightened folk around xant.

Xant when you were in school if someone tried to bully you and take your things would you hand them over because fighting over possessions is childish?
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #86 on: July 12, 2014, 12:54:38 am »
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No Teeth, the word antisemitic needs to be dropped from the lexicon, you dont get a special word for it. Rascism is rascism, religious discrimination is just that. Thinking that they are so special they get their own word is half the reason noone likes them.

Now lets look at history: Why would the jewish people be SO oppressed by SO many people for SO many centuries? There comes a point when, if everyone dislikes you, that you should take a look at your actions and outlook.

Typical small minded hateful mostly Euro double speak.  You don't get to chose what's in the lexicon.  That word is there for a reason.  And that's because of the hateful, small minded jealous people over the centuries that have used Jewish people for scapegoats.

I think their worth is to be judged by the quality of the people that hated and oppressed them.  Most recently the Nazees, Soviets, Arabs.  Good company to keep.  Blindguy is an marvelously aprapos name.

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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #87 on: July 12, 2014, 12:57:22 am »
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Patriotism is more of a moral value, not a means to something. Atleast thats what I think, who is thre to blame for the situation there, are both sides civilians so patriotic that they want to bomb eachother straight into the next train to Allahs garden? (Or wait, jews, right) Or is it a feud between both countries top of the hierarchy..

Saying an entire country is willingly supporting this war solely out of patriotism is kind of stretching it. Maybe if they are infact indoctrined this could be possible, but even a mentally healthy person can be indoctrined, and seeing as how long the situation there is going on. With your relatives dying to bombings, the big good-do-er telling it is HIS fault (points to the other side), i think it wont be very hard to get some followers for your cause.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #88 on: July 12, 2014, 01:00:27 am »
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I honestly didn't know much about this all conflict before, but having my dad working in Jerusalem, i do have some decent information nowadays.

First, to clarify, my dad works in Jerusalem for a french private agency who helps palestinians finance some of their projects : new waterdraining station, new agricultural field, renovating the bridge, etc... But all thoses contracts have to be validated by Israel. In most cases, they agree. But sometimes, they can be picky because one little thing wasn't done very well in the contract, and they'll refuse : rip new school.

For history, Israel has been attacked first, each and every time. And each and every time, they won. So yes, they are the real leaders of that piece of land. I honestly would also being biaised if i was on their shoes : X attacks you. You defeat them, but let them go, since ONU and shit. X + Y attacks you. You defeat them, but learned your lesson, so take some of their lands as payback. If X attacks you again, how would you react ?
I certainly admit that Israel is forcing things, by purposefully building colonies, and annexing territory that way. But that's nearly the only thing i can reproach them.

All this recent peace of news also came from one incident mainly : 3 young israelian, kidnapped and killed, found, strangely in Gaza. How were they found, by israelian militaries themselves. Why, cause Palestinian didn't bother, nor did they condemn this all thing.
In all countries, you have extremist. In israel, some of them grouped and killed one palestinian. What did Israel do, condemn all this action, and is pursuing 3 of thoses who admitted. How does Gaza responds : launches rockets. Manifestations, etc... So litterally no manifestation in Jerusalem when the 3 young lads were kidnapped then killed, but as soon as 1 palestinian dies in Israel, then Israel is obviously the culprit, the bad guy.
How does Israel responds to the rocket launches ? As they always do, with full force.

With how this situation has escalated, i can only say i'm sorry for the "government" of Palestine, who decided to host the Hamas group in Gaza. They could themselves have labeled them as extremists, or terrorists. But no. They're definitely in this together. And then they plead innocent when Israel responds to the threat.


So, i'm definitely supporting Israel for this specific case. They did their best, finding the killing of the young palestinian horrible, and pursuing the culprits, and yet because of riots and counter-attacks, the whole world suddenly sees them as the bad guy. As usual. They can't even be bothered to differentiate photos of Irak's bombing from the real first ones of Gaza. Because fuck information, let's all speculate and turn Israel into the bad guy.


And yes i'm mad. Because of all that, my dad has to stay in there and postponed his holidays for at least a week, since the situation is too dangerous to leave the agency without him, and not enough dangerous (yeah right) to force him to come back in France.


When you play Civilizations, you usually let your ennemy one more chance (if you don't annihilate him right away), but never two. Why is that so hard to accept in the real world ? All this ONU is peace and love, stop attacking the innocent citizens, etc... We're not in a world where soldiers of both side are righteous, fight in the open. But where they'll actually purposefully hiding within citizens, to force their attackers to be shuned by the world, because of collateral damage. And Israel doesn't care about collateral damages, it's all about dissuasive counter-attacks. Which honestly doesn't seem to work on their attackers...

So last question for the readers : You're in front of a building. The front door is open. The backdoor, visible from where you are, is closed. Inside, there's a dozens of innocent civilians, and the widely-researched murderer, responsible of killing no less than 30 people the last month, armed. All you have with you is a grenade. Will you take it upon yourself to be shuned by the all society, throwing your grenade, killing all innocents and the murderer ? Will you walk by, as if it doesn't concern you ? Will you try to negociate with him, giving him 1 000 000$ cash and an helicopter if he releases the civilians ? Will you force the police to surround the building, and try to attack, not caring about the police losses, since civilians are more important, and they signed for that dangerous job anyway ? Will you do something else ?


I'll maybe have an all different opinion on all this tomorrow, sober and all. But i'm really ashamed of how the culprits are still protected by law, human rights, etc... By the astronomical costs of prisons (speaking about the 20+years guilty, not the small crimes folks), by how no one cares when a prisoner kills his therapist when outside, after raping her, and goes free but when a young armed stealer gets shot in the back by the store owner, after robbing him and threatening him, everyone is mad (and justice accuses the store owner of murder with premeditation). It's just so easy to be bad.
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Re: The Jews are at it again..
« Reply #89 on: July 12, 2014, 01:01:50 am »
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well i guess 99.9% of the world is retarded and childish and you are one of the very few enlightened folk around xant.

Xant when you were in school if someone tried to bully you and take your things would you hand them over because fighting over possessions is childish?

Only problem is that there never was a country called Palestine.  When Israel declared a state in 1948 and was attacked by 5 Arab armies, the Muslim religious leaders urged the Palestinians that were living in the area of the Jewish state to leave so that it would be easier to crush the new country.

Why haven't the Arabs and the Palestinians agreed to a two country solution for the last 64 years?  It's because they wish to see Israel destroyed and all the Jews along with it.