The Jews are at it again..

[Turkhammer]

Eh, "missiles". How many casualties have those massive barrages caused among the israelis? When you look at some of these famous palestinian rockets you notice they're more akin to what a retarded kid would put together for a science project than actual military hardware.
I frankly don't care either way, Israel hasn't been an ally of France since the Six Day War. I doubt Israel cares at all what us french think, and I'm not particularly fond of islamic fanatics either. It's clear both sides want to ethnically cleanse the other. Israel is just a lot smarter and more patient about it, playing the long game.

Then you would think that Hamas would smarten up and stop throwing ineffective punches that only bring effective counter strikes on their heads and the heads of the people they profess to care about.  Your comment seems to dismiss the seriousness of launching hundreds of missiles against another country just because the barrages are relatively ineffective.  Did you have a casualty figure in mind that would qualify as a serious threat?

[Xant]

What else is Israel supposed to do? This way, maybe the Palestinians will get tired of Hamas doing shit that gets their people killed all the time and get rid of them. Maybe not. But Israel's other option is war and genocide, so retaliatory strikes that are more gestures than anything is definitely better for Palestine.

[Angantyr]

Israel should start by joining the rest of the world by accepting the Oslo Accords as a basis for a viable two-state solution and accept that Hamas is the closest thing to a serious diplomatic partner with authority in the occupied territories they will get, having radicalized both societies through generations. Keeping them occupied (and all the horrors that occupation brings) and provoking with constantly expanding illegal settlements on Palestinian land at least everyone can be sure is detrimental to any hope for a peaceful solution.

[Xant]

I don't see why Israel would want to do that, just like the U.S isn't going to be making a two-state solution with Afghanistan.

[Teeth]

Indeed, they seem much more set on claiming Palestinian land through settlers until there are no Palestinians left. Which is probably a good strategy from a realist point of view, but it is also why Israel should be regarded as the bad guy.

[BlindGuy]

Then you would think that Hamas would smarten up and stop throwing ineffective punches that only bring effective counter strikes on their heads and the heads of the people they profess to care about.  Your comment seems to dismiss the seriousness of launching hundreds of missiles against another country just because the barrages are relatively ineffective.  Did you have a casualty figure in mind that would qualify as a serious threat?

1/ Hamas launches ROCKETS, they are unguided, small payload, and honestly

When you look at some of these famous palestinian rockets you notice they're more akin to what a retarded kid would put together for a science project than actual military hardware.

2/ Hamas aren't causing Isreal's attacks, they are trying to hit back. Isreal will continue to take ground, kill locals, build defensive settlements on Pal. land, use extreme torture and murder as their tools of expansion. I don't agree with what Hamas are doing either, but at least they are daring to TRY to fight back, with anything they can. I feel so sorry for those poor ppl, just as I do for any massively opressed peoples.

But ultimately you cannot do anything, Isreali officials don't even disimulate about their aims and the means they use, they literally don't asnwer to any international law or body.

[Christo]

Why does everyone keep giving World cup the shit? What, we cant have nice things cause some 2 demographics cant get along in the middle-east? What are we supposed to do? Watch and cry? And if we dont we are assholes? Everybody who could, have tried to settle the situation for a very long time now.

Just send Dethklok to them.

Btw people keep giving world cup the shit because it costs a fuckton of cash with people who also are ridiculously overrated/priced and it's not even properly done with no real sportsmanship, no video referee, and some teams thinking that the football pitch is for acting sessions

Anyway..

[BASNAK]

France uses the FAMAS rifle, Sounds familiar to HAMAS right? French president is called Francois Hollande. Holland is part of Netherlands, and Netherlands has 45000 jews. What happened 1945? JEWS were saved from holocaust and the naz1s lost the war. Netherlands confirmed for being Hamas and responsible for some of the worst electronic trash music in the world. Wake up sheeple.

[Turkhammer]

Israel should start by joining the rest of the world by accepting the Oslo Accords as a basis for a viable two-state solution and accept that Hamas is the closest thing to a serious diplomatic partner with authority in the occupied territories they will get, having radicalized both societies through generations. Keeping them occupied (and all the horrors that occupation brings) and provoking with constantly expanding illegal settlements on Palestinian land at least everyone can be sure is detrimental to any hope for a peaceful solution.

And you actually believe the Palestinians and Hamas when they say they believe in Israel's right to exist?  Why should Israel accept Hamas in any capacity?  Hamas is recognized by the US, UK, EU and Israel as a terrorist group. 

Hamas has never wavered from the goal of destroying Israel and regaining all of it's territory.  They see any statement of that nature, not as a solemn pledge, but as a legitimate tactic to advance their agenda, to be repudiated when it has served their purpose.

[Turkhammer]

1/ Hamas launches ROCKETS, they are unguided, small payload, and honestly
2/ Hamas aren't causing Isreal's attacks, they are trying to hit back. Isreal will continue to take ground, kill locals, build defensive settlements on Pal. land, use extreme torture and murder as their tools of expansion. I don't agree with what Hamas are doing either, but at least they are daring to TRY to fight back, with anything they can. I feel so sorry for those poor ppl, just as I do for any massively opressed peoples.

But ultimately you cannot do anything, Isreali officials don't even disimulate about their aims and the means they use, they literally don't asnwer to any international law or body.

1. Yes Hamas terrorists have launched more than 8,000 rockets into Israel since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.  No country in the world would take that without hitting back, hard.  Russia just threatened Ukraine for one artillery shell that landed in Russian territory.  Hamas can't have it both ways.  It can't say it's fighting against Israel and also say it shouldn't be attacked in return.

2. Of course Hamas attacks are causing Israeli responses.  If they don't want to be bombed, don't send rockets over.

3. You feel so sorry for those poor people.  You are misplacing the blame.  Those poor people are being used as pawns, and cover, and suicide bomber recruits by Hamas which is only interested in perpetuating it's own power.

[BASNAK]

Those poor people are being used as pawns, and cover, and suicide bomber recruits by Hamas which is only interested in perpetuating it's own power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

6 years since last suicide bombing.

[Xant]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks

6 years since last suicide bombing.

Yes, those are the successful ones. Israel is very good at preventing them.

[BASNAK]

Yes, those are the successful ones. Israel is very good at preventing them.

Yes, if they're so good at preventing them why would Al Qassam keep training suicide bombers, Which Turkhammer claims? If you have any sources on suicide bomb training and attempts in the past 6 years feel free to post.

[Xant]

.... What?

[Teeth]

1. Yes Hamas terrorists have launched more than 8,000 rockets into Israel since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.  No country in the world would take that without hitting back, hard.  Russia just threatened Ukraine for one artillery shell that landed in Russian territory.  Hamas can't have it both ways.  It can't say it's fighting against Israel and also say it shouldn't be attacked in return.

2. Of course Hamas attacks are causing Israeli responses.  If they don't want to be bombed, don't send rockets over.

3. You feel so sorry for those poor people.  You are misplacing the blame.  Those poor people are being used as pawns, and cover, and suicide bomber recruits by Hamas which is only interested in perpetuating it's own power.

If Israel doesn't want rockets to be send over, then don't aggressively colonize Palestinian land, ghettoize the Gaza strip, interfere aggressively with Palestinian citizens at leasure, inhibit development of Palestinians areas, kill Hamas leaders that are by every definition politicians and don't commit several other clear acts of war that Israel commits on a daily basis. Israel is busy with an incremental genocide, none of that constitutes an act of war towards the Palestinian people and gives them the right to self defense in your mind? You seem to envision this conflict as two neighbouring states respecting eachother's sovereignty until Hamas decided to willfully break the peace by firing rockets at Israel. This is incredibly far from the truth.

Hamas are terrorists as much as American revolutionaries, the Vietcong or Nelson Mandela were terrorists according to one side or another. Perhaps even less so, much less than the last. If Palestina would be recognized as a proper state, Hamas would be their legitimate government with a military arm by all definitions. Hamas' choice of weapons is a matter of necessity, not a choice. Once again, give them jets and tanks and they will use those instead of rockets. Recognizing Hamas as more than a terrorist organization is one of the most overdue things in the world.