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What counters players with crushthrough (Vote up to 3 times)

Ranged
18 (32.7%)
Fast swing speed
18 (32.7%)
Lancer Cav
11 (20%)
Heavy Cav
6 (10.9%)
2h Cav
1 (1.8%)
There is no classic counter
1 (1.8%)

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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2014, 11:04:53 pm »
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A good foot archer will kill a good horse archer's horse. On foot the horse archer is the underdog again, due to 0 athletics.
So a duel between a horse archer and a foot archer of equal skill usually ends up with the horse archer getting killed.

Anyway, most kills/deaths in a battle are not in 1vs1 situations, which makes a class vs class comparison quite irrelevant in most battle situations.
Also, in 1vs1 situations the two are rarely of the same skill level.

A team with bad players will lose over a team of good players no matter class combinations in each team.
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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2014, 11:20:31 pm »
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Shielders counter HA? on what planet does that happen O.o
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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2014, 11:49:36 pm »
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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2014, 12:05:32 am »
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a duel between a horse archer and a foot archer of equal skill usually ends up with the horse archer getting killed.

Maybe your right, I've made a poll for it

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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2014, 12:30:35 am »
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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2014, 12:36:18 am »
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Wy doesnt polearm counter cav?
Wy even list it under the same cathegory as 2h the only thing they have in common is both hands are being used to hold the wep
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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2014, 12:36:56 am »
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Wy doesnt polearm counter cav?

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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2014, 12:37:32 am »
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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2014, 04:05:16 am »
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Archery counters any melee without a shield, even sometimes counters specific shielders.....
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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2014, 05:45:01 am »
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How does a shield counter HA? All HA has to do is avoid him, bump him when he's distracted, charge him head on with arrow nocked so he either gets shot or bumped, circle around and crossfire with other ranged, etc. There's a ton of choices for the HA and none for the shielder, beyond a lucky hit if the HA is retarded enough to hang around in his small melee range.
1 vs 1 is a useless comparison anyways, it only happens rarely at the end of a round. In a team vs team setting HA simply has all the best tactical options open to it in every single instance (barring siege like maps where mobility is restricted, and even then they can hang behind the inf blob, pacing back and forth while shooting at the enemy inf blob and other ranged beyond, from a much better angle than other ranged who have to look for shots in between inf and inevitably tw). As someone said, there's a reason Khergit were/are unnoficially verbotten in every native battle server.
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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2014, 06:18:17 am »
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Also Cavalry doesn't counter shields.  1h and polearm with shield are the most dangerous weapons against Cav.
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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2014, 06:48:23 am »
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everything counters archers

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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2014, 02:37:10 pm »
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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, worse chart evaaaaaa!

2h/polearme countering crossbow and archer....are we playing the same game?

Still in this chart, we can see the main problem of crpg, cav-ranged can beat any class. We could add the shielder, because if an hx charges a shielder, either the shielder open his shield to counter the charge and gets shot, either he keeps his shield up and gets bumped. Eventually if the hx wants to avoid direct confrontation, he can maintain distance and nobody will be able to reach him.

As a cav-ranged can maintain the distance with infantry, only two classes can kill them, melee-cav or ranged on foot. The problem is a melee-cav will not spend his money for a horse that will just get shot.
And the ranged on foot can't kill ha/hx because it's too easy to dodge arrows on horse.

The best way to solve this unbalance is to reduce the riding skill of those holding a ranged weapon, the same way the aiming skill is reduced when mounted. So the ranged on foot will be able to counter the ha/hx and the melee cavalry will be able to get away from an ha/hx that is following them.
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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2014, 02:37:41 pm »
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Is this troll or?
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Re: CRPG CLASS COUNTER CHART - WORK IN PROGRESS
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2014, 07:42:24 am »
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