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[Umbra]

Wanna know what life after death feels like? Exaclty like before being born. Ever had anesthesia? Now imagine that, but never waking up. I have experiance because im dead inside. 

Also, wtf is this thread now

[Molly]

Murmi knows best...

oh... and Turkhammer too...

They know best.

[Leshma]

And I'm also a stoic. Kinda.

Let's go back in history, shall we?

When he was asked where he came from, he replied, "I am a citizen of the world (cosmopolites)". This was a radical claim in a world where a man's identity was intimately tied to his citizenship in a particular city state. An exile and an outcast, a man with no social identity, Diogenes made a mark on his contemporaries.

2300 years ago there was a man with ideas that Oberyn despise. According to Big O, he should die childless and thus his philosophy dying with him. How come these days there are so many people who share his opinion?

[Murmillus_Prime]

Murmi knows best...

oh... and Turkhammer too...

They know best.

We all know you know best Molly.

[Kafein]

2300 years ago there was a man with ideas that Oberyn despise. According to Big O, he should die childless and thus his philosophy dying with him. How come these days there are so many people who share his opinion?

While his philosophy didn't die with him (much like what we write on these forums might not die with us, as weird as that may sound), ideas can also be found independently.

[Armpit_Sweat]

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“For Men? History. Language. Passion. Custom. All these things determine what men say, think, and do. These are the hidden puppet-strings from which all men hang.”
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I would sum it up with one word - culture. The way I choose to understand it at least.
And i believe it to be a tool of communication between people within a society. A tool, but not a goal in itself. And to sustain a homogeneous culture is absolutely necessary not because of pride, not because it's the best culture of them all, but because it is a base of a productive and stable society. What one does alone, what one cares for personally, should be unrestricted - one should be allowed to peruse his very own goals and dreams, if these goals do not harass other individuals.
When I am at work, buying groceries, going out to drink, etc., - I am willingly dangling on the "hidden puppet-strings from which all men hang". When I am alone, or with someone who knows me very well - I am mostly guided by my immediate desires, regardless of what's "right or wrong" in the eyes of society.
That being said, i honestly believe that an absolute majority of people in the world are hypocrites, and lie not only to others, but also to themselves. There are also fanatics of course, but they are the worst kind of humans possible in my opinion, regardless of their cause. If it was up to me, i would put them all in cages.

[Xant]

Clearly my references to the lizard brain went RIGHT over your head, no wonder you think I'm an idiot a conclusion you've deduced through your own lack of understanding and ignorance which infact makes you the.. I'm not going to call you an idiot. You're just a twat.

No such thing as lizard brain. Back to school for you.
http://blog.singularvalues.com/2012/09/lizard-brain-theory-debunked.html

Nevertheless, I understood what you meant by it, it's just wrong and a classic mistake by someone whose understanding of evolution is on a very shallow level.

There is no subconscious ""lizard brain"" underneath it all that's guiding your actions so you reproduce more and making you want to ensure the survival of your species. This is not how evolution, genes or the subconscious work.
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"Individual organisms are best thought of as adaptation-executers rather than as fitness-maximizers."
        —John Tooby and Leda Cosmides, The Psychological Foundations of Culture.

There are many reasons to supect that there may be more to life after death if not least from our lack of understanding about our existence and the nature of reality.

Nope.

Then there's testamonies of people who've had near death experiences, children who claim to have been another person in a past life and more...

The very fact you mention this throws your already tenuous credibility out the window.

http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/stay-awake/msg1196915/#msg1196915
WITCHCRAFT is apparently a real life wizard, he can make boiled water appear and then disappear! His brain said it was there, so it must be so. And he sees demons and dragons! Demons and dragons exist, breaking news.

But no, of course visions are completely reliable especially when the body is in a massive state of shock and the electricity is all fucked up in your brain.

Ok much of it may be made up bollocks and I'm sure you'll come up with a scientific excuse or reason to justify near death experiences.

Yeah, screw scientific "excuses"! What does science think it is, anyway?

If we lived back in the middle-ages, you'd probably one of those people arguing that the world is flat because of the current limit of our academic knowledge at the time. "Smart people say so, so it must be so.".. Well done stupid.

Wow, amazing straw man. You even call me stupid for something I only do - no, I'm sorry, would do if we lived in the middle-ages - in your imagination. Truly, your intellect knows no bounds. But yes, I think we're done here -- you've shown you don't understand how evolution works and you think scientific reasons are "excuses."

[Admerius]

Memetic evolution trumps genetic evolution  as long as theres is a multi-consciousness system alive and interconnected in a way that makes individually obtained information shareable with other individuals.

One reservetaion, if the info is non-reality/fact based then the system will either auto correct due to negative feedback, or reinterpret negative as positive and become deludedly suicidal from an (more)"objective" perspective

[Murmillus_Prime]

No such thing as lizard brain. Back to school for you.
http://blog.singularvalues.com/2012/09/lizard-brain-theory-debunked.html

Nevertheless, I understood what you meant by it, it's just wrong and a classic mistake by someone whose understanding of evolution is on a very shallow level.

There is no subconscious ""lizard brain"" underneath it all that's guiding your actions so you reproduce more and making you want to ensure the survival of your species. This is not how evolution, genes or the subconscious work.
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"Individual organisms are best thought of as adaptation-executers rather than as fitness-maximizers."
        —John Tooby and Leda Cosmides, The Psychological Foundations of Culture.
Nope.
The very fact you mention this throws your already tenuous credibility out the window.

http://forum.melee.org/general-off-topic/stay-awake/msg1196915/#msg1196915
WITCHCRAFT is apparently a real life wizard, he can make boiled water appear and then disappear! His brain said it was there, so it must be so. And he sees demons and dragons! Demons and dragons exist, breaking news.

But no, of course visions are completely reliable especially when the body is in a massive state of shock and the electricity is all fucked up in your brain.

Yeah, screw scientific "excuses"! What does science think it is, anyway?
Wow, amazing straw man. You even call me stupid for something I only do - no, I'm sorry, would do if we lived in the middle-ages - in your imagination. Truly, your intellect knows no bounds. But yes, I think we're done here -- you've shown you don't understand how evolution works and you think scientific reasons are "excuses."

So do you deny that on the subconscious level humans inherently display behaviours that we share with other living organisms, and that these behaviours do not in anyway shape or form influence our very reason for being? Behaviours largely beyond our conscious control, behaviours derived from aspects of living organisms considered tantamount to the continuation of the species and in the broader picture life on the whole?... Behaviours that would if not consciously, would at least subconsciously give us at least on a basic level to exist, behaviours that on a very basic level that are derived from evolutonary characteristics to ensure the survival of our species.

As I had said before, if you don't care about what happens to the human race when you die then you might as well kill yourself. Behaviours that tie all living organisms together, whether consciously or subconsciously, whether pure or derived are providing you with your reason to be, and our species to be and to continue.

I may not always make succint points with the most appropriate terminology, but nit picking on minor flaws without being able to refute the key principles of my argument are not tantamount to being correct. 

About the lizard brain thing, I used it as an euphamism as you sort of pointed out. I've not done alot of research on the subject but even in your statement about the theory being debunked you admit that scientists can be wrong.. However even then you're incorrect as it's not been wholly debunked and yet you still selectively seem to invest your entire reasoning and faith in contemporary science.

You admit that science can be wrong, and while it can be right it still is not yet capable of answering the questions about how and why we and everything else exists and why it is the way it is. Human knowledge is incomplete, imperfect and we've still got a lot to learn. I'd rather not put all of my eggs in one nest for the nest may one day fall from the tree. I'd prefer to keep an open mind until otherwise being completely refuted and proven otherwise.

[Molly]

You still don't understand how science works, do you?
Resembles a discussion we had before and there kinda is no point to argue that specific 'thing' until you do... imho...

[Murmillus_Prime]

You still don't understand how science works, do you?
Resembles a discussion we had before and there kinda is no point to argue that specific 'thing' until you do... imho...

What a silly thing to say Molly.

There have been many cases where theoretical science has become proven science and cases where "proven" science debunked. You're out of your depth here.

[Molly]

What a silly thing to say Molly.

There have been many cases where theoretical science has become proven science and cases where "proven" science debunked. You're out of your depth here.

Yes, I am certainly out of my depth here.

Sorry for bothering you. Carry on, please.

[Murmillus_Prime]

Yes, I am certainly out of my depth here.

Sorry for bothering you. Carry on, please.

You're right again Molly, and this time you're not lying. Have a +1 on me.

[Xant]

As I had said before, if you don't care about what happens to the human race when you die then you might as well kill yourself.

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I've not done alot of research on the subject

No, really? I couldn't tell.

you admit that scientists can be wrong

What a concept. That's something only a child or someone with your average Creationist's level of understanding of science would say.

[Kafein]

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