Iraq falling appart

[Tovi]

No,the files shows that the Daesh troops were mainly libyans and saudis. They are probably still a majority. But the leadership is changing. This can take months or years to change their theatre of operation.

Meanwhile, Daesh is a good excuse to bomb some refineries in Syria. Even a syrian fighter has been shot down by israelies above Golan. Strange no ?
Look : the buildings bombed at Raqqa were empty since 2 days. None Saudis fighter took off since the begining of the strikes etc.
More : weapons given to iraki kurds will be usefull, in the future, against Bagdad gvt,not against Daesh. Only syrian kurds (loyal to Assad) are really fighting against Daesh in NE of Syria.

[The_Bloody_Nine]

No,the files shows that the Daesh troops were mainly libyans and saudis. They are probably still a majority. But the leadership is changing.

So what is the relevance of the files then?

[Kirman]

I'm ashamed cause of Erdogan and his AKP. They are going discuss about military operation on Iraq and Syria in parliament.  At the begining they support ISIS with guns/supplies and now thinking about sending ground units against ISIS. They will just sit and watch... We really need a civil uprising but not a peacefull one this time.

[Tovi]

I'm ashamed cause of Erdogan and his AKP. They are going discuss about military operation on Iraq and Syria in parliament.  At the begining they support ISIS with guns/supplies and now thinking about sending ground units against ISIS. They will just sit and watch... We really need a civil uprising but not a peacefull one this time.

ISIS is not even a terrorist group, officialy, in Turkey. And they still have a training camp. Erdogan is not clear (as many countries about Daesh).
TUrkey have a plan to invade north Syria.

[Christo]

I'm ashamed cause of Erdogan and his AKP. They are going discuss about military operation on Iraq and Syria in parliament.  At the begining they support ISIS with guns/supplies and now thinking about sending ground units against ISIS. They will just sit and watch... We really need a civil uprising but not a peacefull one this time.

Well last time I heard about it, the Suleiman Shah tomb was surrounded.

Remember that leaked conversation? Too much similarity, playing into their hands.

[Kirman]

Well they accepted it in parliament today. We will see what happens in a few days. They might send us(college students) to army, cause the only thing they can't control or fight is our ideas. It's probably the best idea to get rid of us. But i'm thinking too  imaginary... Anyway some of my friends will join to army for their military service soon. What a shithole...

[Daunt_Flockula]

You could say it is a good thing that they accepted. But the way they refrained from explicitly pointing to a target in their military declaration (using only ambiguous expressions like "eliminating external threats"), one can only think of one conclusion.

The IS maggots have already advanced inches close to the Turkish border and erected their flag in the vicinity of the Kurdish settlement of Kobane. Several maggots were even caught on camera merrily crossing the border together with a Turkish guide. IS recruitment continues unhindered and explicitly in many Eastern cities too. Time for bloodhounds to let jihadists do their own cleansing and stealthily move towards Syria I guess. Everything had already come down to this when Syria itself announced that it would be happy and willing to support the coalition so long as the Syrian forces "were not targeted during the clashes". They can't have such a concern for no reason after all.

[Butan]

Well they accepted it in parliament today. We will see what happens in a few days. They might send us(college students) to army, cause the only thing they can't control or fight is our ideas. It's probably the best idea to get rid of us. But i'm thinking too  imaginary... Anyway some of my friends will join to army for their military service soon. What a shithole...

You're never happy do you? Few days ago you posted that your gov was too friendly with ISIS, now they declare war and join coalition, complete 180°, and I dont think they did it to kill off all their younger population in the fights.

The only reasonable point you and Flockula have mentionned is that they might use this to grab land, paralleled with an old planned military invasion, but anyone sendind troops on the ground will have to occupy territory at least temporarily.
They will have to be terribly cunning to retain control of those provinces and will need western support to be legitimate.
For Syria, since his leader is widely banned from most diplomatic ventures, it could be possible; but Iraq on the other hand is more likely to become a political ground for the new generation of US puppets.

[Daunt_Flockula]

True Butan, we are never happy, because nothing ever follows a route that ends in peace. If the government finally achieves its long-sought goal of toppling Assad, it means they will further consolidate their future years in power, which is bound to end in a truly ugly picture for Turkey (did you know that erdogan the bloodhound aims for the year 2071 for sustained stay in power, as if he would live so long to see it?).

If they actually cleanse the jihadists, that will probably end in Kurds claiming our Eastern lands (because we couldn't even protect our borders or citizens within and around the borders, remember?).
Turkey is one of the few non-artificial states in the Middle East. If it gets disintegrated like that, years of further dissolution surely awaits (so screw any do-gooder freedom cries like "give them the land they deserve brah" in advance).

Still we have to just wait and see. There are lots of involved parties with different interests. Everything comes down to whichever one will stand out.

[Kirman]

You're never happy do you? Few days ago you posted that your gov was too friendly with ISIS, now they declare war and join coalition, complete 180°, and I dont think they did it to kill off all their younger population in the fights.

I won't be happy in few years either. When Erdogan and his AKP is gone we will need lots of years to fix everything. I would %100 support if they didn't give guns/supplies to ISIS. But now it if they send ground units, their blood will be in Erdgoan's hand. Think about a government killing his own army. It's probably the best opportunity for them. Of course AKP supporters will be safe at their home and gettin richer. For example; Erdogan's son didn't do his military service and became a huge businessman today.

[Butan]

I read you loud and clear about reasons you dislike your actual leader, but we are talking about Iraq(Syria) not Turkey domestic approval of its political leaders. I understand that you oppose Erdogan and most of whatever he will do, but it is not the best point of view to judge a foreign world most acknowledged "threat". See how you turned the events in your University to disprove Erdogan friendly ISIS stance, now he does exactly the opposite and you still find anti-AKP elements.
I would appreciate your arguments if you were more cautious and less fanatically opposed.

I would %100 support if they didn't give guns/supplies to ISIS. But now it if they send ground units, their blood will be in Erdgoan's hand. Think about a government killing his own army. It's probably the best opportunity for them. Of course AKP supporters will be safe at their home and gettin richer. For example; Erdogan's son didn't do his military service and became a huge businessman today.

You think they firstly helped ISIS to create a reasonable threat so that they can legitimely attack them?
Honestly asking.

True Butan, we are never happy, because nothing ever follows a route that ends in peace.

Lets declare peace with ISIS then 

If they actually cleanse the jihadists, that will probably end in Kurds claiming our Eastern lands (because we couldn't even protect our borders or citizens within and around the borders, remember?).
Turkey is one of the few non-artificial states in the Middle East. If it gets disintegrated like that, years of further dissolution surely awaits (so screw any do-gooder freedom cries like "give them the land they deserve brah" in advance).

Why would going on the attack against ISIS automatically mean Turkey lose its eastern lands? To me it sounds more logical that if they have military means to invade, they have military means to control their own territory. If they attack others knowing they wont be able to defend their own, thats bad decision making.
I understand that kurds are a special case, and I even heard that they had a lot of external military support and made some independant moves, but I still not see why attacking ISIS prompts this problem?

Turkey may have been stable size-wise for a longer time, but go tell Iraqi that they should not own Bagdad or Syria - Damas... etc
You cant really tell they are artificial, they have their own history. Tell me your counter-arguments if you have.
I think you're a bit too pessimistic relative to your own country destiny    your nemesis will be long dead in 2071.

[Daunt_Flockula]

Why would going on the attack against ISIS automatically mean Turkey lose its eastern lands? To me it sounds more logical that if they have military means to invade, they have military means to control their own territory. If they attack others knowing they wont be able to defend their own, thats bad decision making.
I understand that kurds are a special case, and I even heard that they had a lot of external military support and made some independant moves, but I still not see why attacking ISIS prompts this problem?

It has been the discussion for quite a long time Butan. Never before in history could one simply step up and blabber about separating Turkey roughly in half and claiming one of the halves. It is now being discussed everywhere. On TV, on the papers, on the streets. Simply everywhere. Not to mention creating a Kurdish state in the Middle East is a wet dream to USA.

[Kafein]

It has been the discussion for quite a long time Butan. Never before in history could one simply step up and blabber about separating Turkey roughly in half and claiming one of the halves. It is now being discussed everywhere. On TV, on the papers, on the streets. Simply everywhere. Not to mention creating a Kurdish state in the Middle East is a wet dream to USA.

Since those Kurdish dudes don't seem to be receiving fair treatment from any of the countries they live in, I don't see where the problem with wanting their own state is exactly.

[Daunt_Flockula]

Here is the problem: They are the aftermath of what the USA had been trying to do in Fellujah and Halepjah (for example). Turkey has been paying the toll by accepting them as refugees for decades (just as how we have been accepting several millions of Syrians of late, guess it will be their turn after a while). To be honest, if they want their own state, they will have to return to where they came from and do it there. They don't have the slightest right to claim the lands where they sought refuge.

Also, why would I even care right now? They shouldn't have betrayed the Turkish socialist front and chosen to persistently support a bunch of USA-backed illiterate disgusting pro-shariah fanatics throughout the last decade. Just because they were given false promises of claiming their own land, they shouldered the extreme religious transformation of Turkey. I used to symphatize with them as a people, but seriously, fuck them now. Whatever they are facing at the moment, they fully deserved it.

[Tovi]

The ISIL Takfiri terrorists have purportedly opened a consulate in Turkey and use it to issue visas for those who want to join the fight against the Syrian and Iraqi governments.

The Turkish daily Aydinlik said in a recent report that the consulate was founded in the Cankaya district of the capital Ankara.

The militants are said to be operating freely inside the country without much problem.

Other reports said the members of the Takfiri group have rented luxurious houses in the upscale neighborhood of the capital and Istanbul and use them for residence or as offices.

The terrorists are said to be using minibuses with black windows to get around the city.

The ISIL Takfiri terrorists currently control parts of Syria and Iraq. They have threatened all communities, including Shias, Sunnis, Kurds, Christians, Izadi Kurds and others, as they continue their atrocities in Iraq.

Senior Iraqi officials have blamed Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and some Persian Gulf Arab states for the growing terrorism in their country.

The terrorist group has links with Saudi intelligence and is believed to be indirectly supported by the Israeli regime.

The United States started conducting airstrikes on the ISIL only after US interests were threatened by the militants.

NT/AS/MHB

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-islamic-state-opens-its-first-consulate-in-turkeys-capital-issuing-visas-to-foreign-fighters/5405811