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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #525 on: September 09, 2014, 12:58:09 pm »
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So your saying that Muhammad, the man who raped butchered and murdered men, women, and children sending many into slavery was more progressive than the prophets of the old testament?

Where are the commands for a christian to go kill an infidel? Ive never heard of any.

Are we talking Old Testament? Because there are many. The God of the Talmud as imagined in the book of fairy tales is a fucking bloodthirsty psychopath who personally did much worse than anything Muhammad is reported to have done, not even counting what he "willed" others to do. So yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #526 on: September 09, 2014, 01:21:05 pm »
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But you have read your bible haven't you?
Read
Matthew 5:17
Followed by
Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Now before saying "out of context" etc.
Can you acknowledge that reading these verses literally in this order seems to say that as a Follower of Christ you should kill all unbelievers?

Mathew 5:17 is talking about fulfilling the purpose of the law which is written in the old testament. The purpose of the law was to keep israel from going astray. However Jesus fulfilled the law so we as christians do not have to obide by them.
As it states in Galatians 3:13
13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”

So no Christians do not get the right to murder infidels
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #527 on: September 09, 2014, 01:28:53 pm »
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Are we talking Old Testament? Because there are many. The God of the Talmud as imagined in the book of fairy tales is a fucking bloodthirsty psychopath who personally did much worse than anything Muhammad is reported to have done, not even counting what he "willed" others to do. So yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

The difference between the God of the old testament and the God of the quran is that the one in the quran gives open commands to his followers through Muhammad that are still being followed today. The God of the old testament ordered the very specific destruction of certain peoples, there are no open ended commands to kill the infidel.

And also Jihad is still being waged. The body count is still climbing.
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #528 on: September 09, 2014, 01:43:59 pm »
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Are we talking Old Testament? Because there are many.

Could you please post the book and verses thanks  :mrgreen:
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #529 on: September 09, 2014, 01:50:25 pm »
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Religion is a tool used by many with political ambition. To believe that conflict in the Middle-East stems mainly from religion is to be caught in the smokescreen put up by vested interests in the region. Politics, geopolitics, they are the main drivers behind conflicts, whether in South China Sea, Middle-East, East Europe...
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #530 on: September 09, 2014, 01:55:05 pm »
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Religion is a tool used by many with political ambition. To believe that conflict in the Middle-East stems mainly from religion is to be caught in the smokescreen put up by vested interests in the region. Politics, geopolitics, they are the main drivers behind conflicts, whether in South China Sea, Middle-East, East Europe...


That is somewhat correct seeing Islam is more of a political manifesto left by an Arab supremacist, much like a dolf h itlers mien kampf. But you would be a massive fool to think that the quran is not the source of the problems that the middle east has been suffering since it burst out from its birth place in the Arabian peninsula
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #531 on: September 09, 2014, 02:29:27 pm »
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The Bible was also a total life guide, determining political and material decisions for millenia in many places, or at least being used so as a "smokescreen". That's the point, christianity as a whole no longer has any hold on the secular, material political world, or at least as much power as any other special interest group and less than most. Islam however is still seen as a blueprint for "proper" government and laws by the vast majority of it's practicioners.
Still, the religions are both abrahamic. They're more similar to each other than any other religion on the planet (barring judaism from which they both sprung). The history and context in which they both developped (especially post Renaissance and Enlightenment) is far more important than nitpicking at the content of their Holy Books, which are practically irrelevant if we're digging for fundamentally different approaches to politics.
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #532 on: September 09, 2014, 02:36:31 pm »
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What has this thread become  :shock:



That moment when you feel "Meanwhile in Ukraine" thread make more sense!

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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #533 on: September 09, 2014, 03:12:04 pm »
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That thread and this... They were both meant to turn into a blustering soup (no offense anybody; I have been doing my fair share of hurdy gurdying here as well). Not even the politically accountable parties are able put out a fair and meaningful discussion. It is only normal when a lot of people from different age groups, nations and cultures -who are, by the way, here primarily for gaming purposes- arrive at this point.

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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #534 on: September 09, 2014, 04:12:42 pm »
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Still, the religions are both abrahamic. They're more sililar to each other than any other relgion (barring judaism from which they both sprung).

No Christianity and Islam are exact opposites, the only thing that is similar is that both are monotheistic (I think that's the word for it).

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  The history and the context in which they both developed (especially post Renaissance and Enlightenment) is far more important than nitpicking at the content of their holy books.

Islam will never, actually can never go through the same process that Christianity went through during enlightenment because in order for that to be achieved you would have to remove Muhammad from the Quran. And no Muslim will ever allow their dear prophet to be removed lol.


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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #535 on: September 09, 2014, 04:13:17 pm »
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That thread and this... They were both meant to turn into a blustering soup (no offense anybody; I have been doing my fair share of hurdy gurdying here as well). Not even the politically accountable parties are able put out a fair and meaningful discussion. It is only normal when a lot of people from different age groups, nations and cultures -who are, by the way, here primarily for gaming purposes- arrive at this point.

Yes things just... got out of hand  :lol:
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #536 on: September 09, 2014, 05:52:03 pm »
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Less moronism, more on-topic:
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #537 on: September 09, 2014, 06:55:03 pm »
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #538 on: September 09, 2014, 06:57:47 pm »
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Re: Iraq falling appart
« Reply #539 on: September 09, 2014, 06:59:07 pm »
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