Iraq falling appart

[BlindGuy]

Found some more video's of their that I am not gonna share tbh, shit is just a long snuff film.

Well, here's some things I hope everyone here can take in, and reflect on:

Many of these guys have had their homes and lives disrupted for generations by "western" powers creating unrest, downright invading, and generally manipulating to get their agendas fullfilled.

Many of these guys join these movements because they feel helpless and stuck in shit situations.

None of these movements could excist without huge financial backing unless they use mass requisitons, which would quickly make them very unpopular, which in many areas they are not.

None of these movements would excist if we didn't, as a species, cling to two massive logical fallacies: 1/ Religion 2/ Capitalism: I wont get into why, it should be obvious what the problem with religion is, and capitalism is inherantly corrupt by its very nature.


BUT ULTIMATELY, lets compare Islam to Christianity: Muslims are SIX HUNDRED YEARS behind Christianity in their timeline: It's normal, I think, for a religion to keep having these growing pains, untill hopefully, ultimately, in 2 centuries or so, they will realise how stupid they are being, and about 400 years from now they will have society like the West: Large atheist population, many believers, the few that expound the old ways will be viewed by the vast majority as pretty silly and harmless.

Lets hope that weapon technology doesn't advance fast enough that a/ the west simply whipes the Mid-East from the map because they just became too irritating, and b/ it permeates into the hands of nutjobs like ISIS so they can actually be a threat to a modern nation state.

Hopefully, maybe in only a few generations time, we can finally forget these fucking jokes, Religion, Nation, and realise that we all live on the same planet, we draw our life from the same star, we are bound together and our future is together or not at all.

There is no time for such things religious schism, nationlism, the petty deseases of childish minds. We need to be realistic. As a species we need to grow up.

[Xant]

BUT ULTIMATELY, lets compare Islam to Christianity: Muslims are SIX HUNDRED YEARS behind Christianity in their timeline

Most retarded thing I've heard this year, nice.

[Oberyn]

Hopefully, maybe in only a few generations time, we can finally forget these fucking jokes, Religion, Nation, and realise that we all live on the same planet, we draw our life from the same star, we are bound together and our future is together or not at all.

There is no time for such things religious schism, nationlism, the petty deseases of childish minds. We need to be realistic. As a species we need to grow up.

Yeah, then after that maybe we can frolic in the fields with the unicorns and pixies and look for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. Are people spouting this stupid shit actually dumb enough to believe it, or or is it just that pointless maudlin platitudes make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside? It's understandable for idealistic teenagers who know nothing about the realities of the world, but anyone that's done with puberty and still has these illusions I frankly can't understand.
Get it through your fucking heads, HUMANS ARE TRIBAL. It will never change unless you change human nature itself. Go ahead and get rid of nations, and religions, and race, and etc... (and good luck to you, lol). Even if you are successfull something else will be along shortly for people to divide themselves by and fight over. Ideas never die, just people.

[Oberyn]

Most retarded thing I've heard this year, nice.

Up until about the 16th century muslim areas were more urban, rich and technologically advanced than anything in Catholic lands. The byzantine remnants of the Roman Empire were more or less always on par with them however, especially considering such a huge chunk of it was the building block of islamic expansion and conquest. People seem to forget all of north africa and the mid-east as far as persian borders was culturally christian for centuries.
May as well say christianity has thousands of years of catchup to play to judaism, which is somehow more "progressive" (?) just because it's been around longer.

[Xant]

Up until about the 16th century muslim areas were more urban, rich and technologically advanced than anything in Catholic lands. The byzantine remnants of the Roman Empire were more or less always on par with them however, especially considering such a huge chunk of it was the building block of islamic expansion and conquest. People seem to forget all of north africa and the mid-east as far as persian borders was culturally christian for centuries.
May as well say christianity has thousands of years of catchup to play to judaism, which is somehow more "progressive" (?) just because it's been around longer.

Yes, treating religions like humans ("it's ok they're immature when they're 6 years old but they get better at 18") is retarded.

[BlindGuy]

Most retarded thing I've heard this year, nice.

How is that? You don't understand how dates work? Chistianity approx 2014 years old, Islam Approx 1400 years old, thats six hundred years. Did the math confuse you?

[Xant]

How is that? You don't understand how dates work? Chistianity approx 2014 years old, Islam Approx 1400 years old, thats six hundred years. Did the math confuse you?

Pretty sure you mean Christianity, not "Chistianity."

[Kafein]

How is that? You don't understand how dates work? Chistianity approx 2014 years old, Islam Approx 1400 years old, thats six hundred years. Did the math confuse you?

Your understanding of dates has no bearing on your understanding of religions.

[Tibe]

BUT ULTIMATELY, lets compare Islam to Christianity: Muslims are SIX HUNDRED YEARS behind Christianity in their timeline: It's normal, I think, for a religion to keep having these growing pains, untill hopefully, ultimately, in 2 centuries or so, they will realise how stupid they are being, and about 400 years from now they will have society like the West: Large atheist population, many believers, the few that expound the old ways will be viewed by the vast majority as pretty silly and harmless.

According to many beliefs Africa is the birthplace of man, so that would make africans...what, about thousands of years ahead. Than why arent they ahead? See. You cant really measure this in years. Theres so much influencing it. Who knows, mybe Muslim society will evolve in an entirely different direction and in six hundred years their society will be more like a (actual)religious version of North-Korea. Which is basically plunging a lot of the planets population into slavery. Or mybe in 100 years their societies will surpass the western ones. Its all quite random. Such as humans evolve randomly through their time basically through random chain of events, so do countries and religions. We can never predict how future events will change them. Longer exsistance doesnt mean bigger success rate, it just means that it has evolved more from its original shape, either becoming better or worse. Not only exclusively better.

[Oberyn]

Exactly. The fertile crescent is popularly thought to have been one of the birthing places of civilization. The land between the Tigris and the Euphrates saw multiple empires rise and fall while europeans were still relatively complete primitives, with developped agriculture and irrigation/canal networks, metal (bronze) working, etc.
And now a big chunk of it is being ruled by a bunch of fucking tribal zealots who traded in their spears for AK-47s. According to your logic they should have flying cars and a system of governance thousands of years in advance.

[Xant]

Maybe one day, thousand of years from now, we can get to the level of African technological advancement. Thanks BlindGuy, your insight is always priceless.

[Teeth]

I am kind of concerned about the immediate threat they pose at the moment. And they haven't been non-existent anyway. They are the same horde of mindless killers who have been terrorizing the region for decades. It is just that they now have this free pass in their hands with the Turkish army passivated and government that first supported them and later switched to keeping it on by turning a blind eye. In brief, I believe the hornet's nest doesn't even require poking at this time. The hornets are already at large and raging.

You as a Turk are worried about ISIS? In what way do they constitute a threat to you or Turkey? Surely ISIS is no match for the mighty Turkling army and surely ISIS knows that?

[Kirman]

You as a Turk are worried about ISIS? In what way do they constitute a threat to you or Turkey? Surely ISIS is no match for the mighty Turkling army and surely ISIS knows that?

My opinion;

We know our government supported ISIS guns,supplies etc etc... Nobody done anything about that. What if ISIS backfires? Today, Erdogan and his party controls everything in this country even the army. That scares me a little... I even heard/read there are ISIS camps in Turkey... Wouldn't you worry if your country becomes supporter of terrorists?

[Kafein]

Well, supporting terrorists and your country becoming a war zone are two different things.

[Kirman]

Could you prefer one of them?