What do YOU think is a reasonable price for heirlooms?

[Lech]

Body armor have the best heirloom atm. I feel it will be nerfed. When you'll get just +3 armor (+6 body) for full heirloom (maybe with 1 less weight, or 0.5 less weight) it will suddenly be far less imba.

[Vicious666]

After having a talk with Vicious on teamspeak, he changed my mind. We need to nerf heirlooms, especially body armor. The difference it makes, especially if you manage to get a full heirloomed suit, is just too big.

So yeah, nerf heirlooms! 

raise your  trolling  detection skill

[Phazey]

raise your  trolling  detection skill

Naah, you're just afraid we'll nerf your little grinder's suit to oblivion... 

[Mustikki]

someone sell me a triple heirloomed Great Long Bardiche.

But I won't!

[Vicious666]

Naah, you're just afraid we'll nerf your little grinder's suit to oblivion... 

it's that i just dont wanna be you 

[Barbas]

I cannot se how much money you gain or how much money you loose have any impact on the value of a heirloom.
Neither has any sort of effect on the heirloom or the time it took you to make it.

What is important is the value of those 72 hours it takes to make a heirloom. How much cRPG gold is 72 hours of your life worth...

It takes time to earn gold.  That's why it's relevant.

Hence the calculations:  Generally you would not to spend more time earning the gold to buy a heirloom than the time it would take for you to heirloom it yourself. 

You might spend a bit more if you have tons of gold in reserve - but I don't know what portion of the population has millions in reserve.  For the rest of us, these calculations help us decide:  Should I save up enough money to buy the heirloomed item I want?  Or will it be quicker for me to just level and retire enough that I can heirloom it myself? 

[Rhaelys]

The maximum amount of gold you could gain in a single generation is actually at generation 1, because with higher generations the amount of XP you gain per tick is higher, but the amount of gold you gain per tick remains the same.


Thus, with 8,735,000 XP needed to retire: (I do not know the exact values for the last three digits, but it's inconsequential)

8,735,000 XP/1,000 XP per tick = 8,735 ticks x 50 gold = 436,750 gold

This holds regardless of multiplier, because gold increases by the same proportion that XP does. Consider the case of a perpetual 5x multiplier:

8,735,000 XP/5,000 XP per tick = 1,747 ticks x 250 gold = 436,750 gold


Now let's consider the worst case scenario.

You gain the least amount of gold when you receive maximum XP ticks, which is set to 1,450 at a x1 (generation 16).

8,735,000 XP/1,450 XP per tick = 6025 ticks x 50 gold = 301,250 gold


What was the point of this post?

I don't know.

Quoting myself.

Every problem with a number for an answer can be solved with math.

To lay down some base information I used in my calculations:

The average xp per minute is 1950.
The math to determine this is based on a 50% chance of loss each round.
Average exp per minute =   (1000 * 0.5) +  (2000 * 0.25) + (3000 * 0.12) + (4000 *.06) +  (5000 0.07)
To be exact if you want, every minute of game play you gain 1950 exp and 97.5 gold

At this rate level 31 takes exactly 76 hours for a 1st generation player.

So... it takes 76 hours of work to obtain an heirloom, but that is not the end of the story. During that time your character produces 444,620 gold.  Formula:

Heirloom_Times * (76 hours of work + 444,620 gold) + Original_item_cost = Cost_of_Heirloom

to reduce further, 76 hours also equates to 444,620 gold so

Heirloom_Times * (889,240 gold) + Original_item_cost = Cost_of_heirloom

The first time you heirloom an item it is worth to you 889,240 gold
The second is 862,562 gold
The third is 835,886 gold
So triple heir-loomed item is theoretically worth +2,587688 gold

But by observation it is clear that players value not going without armor and weapon for 76 hours at over 444,620 gold. Because of this it can be excluded from the calculations by an opportunity cost that renders it irrelevant. So really, the actual value is half of this, making the final values calculated to be:  (rounded)

1x Loom +=    445,000 gold
2x Loom +=    876,000 gold
3x Loom += 1,294,000 gold

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P.S. :  These final values are simply the value of obtaining them yourselves.  If people are not willing to pay this amount for your items then in general  it is not worth the money to sell your heirlooms.  (unless the heirloom is worthless to you like an Elders Training Sword)

I believe your numbers are slightly off. What did you use for the amount of XP needed to hit 31? It seems like you used a value of 8,892,000 XP (76 hours * 60 minutes/hour * 1950 XP/minute) which is slightly higher than actually needed.

[Zergmar]

the market started to run out of gold, you can see +1 items go for 200-300k and not get sold for few days

[Tydeus]

the market started to run out of gold, you can see +1 items go for 200-300k and not get sold for few days

Only if they're bad items. Currently there haven't been +1 looms for under 300K for a while. As I'm typing this I can tell you the only +1s for less than 300K are Well Bred horses, because the market is flooded with them. There is also a Military Pick and a Long Espada for 300K exactly. This is also the first day we've seen such low prices, since the initial opening of the market.

[Xol!]

Only if they're bad items. Currently there haven't been +1 looms for under 300K for a while. As I'm typing this I can tell you the only +1s for less than 300K are Well Bred horses, because the market is flooded with them. There is also a Military Pick and a Long Espada for 300K exactly. This is also the first day we've seen such low prices, since the initial opening of the market.

Well, that and the poor sap with the commoner's long dagger that no one wants.  Been sitting there at 200k since the day the market opened lmfao.

[Kharn]

@Rhaelys

I got that number from Vargas' website.
http://infinitum.dyndns.org/crpg/calc.htm
31   8,892,403   76:00

If he is wrong he should probably be informed.

[Zergmar]

Only if they're bad items. Currently there haven't been +1 looms for under 300K for a while. As I'm typing this I can tell you the only +1s for less than 300K are Well Bred horses, because the market is flooded with them. There is also a Military Pick and a Long Espada for 300K exactly. This is also the first day we've seen such low prices, since the initial opening of the market.

Better offers disappear quickly