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Build for 1h + shield??
« on: April 10, 2014, 02:30:41 pm »
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Right, so this is my first post on the forum. And I got the game some 2 days ago by a friend. He gifted it to me, told me to get cRPG because the multiplayer is much better.

And I am into multiplayer action, so I got this mod. I have mixed opinions about it as I can't kill anything and keep dying endlessly. I know the basics of this game, blocking (left, right, down and up etc) and so on. I've already gotten a hang of it a little. But I've got other issues, I have no fucking clue how to build a 1 hander.

First off, I thought this game would allow freedom of choice to try a bit of everything. And I was proven extremely wrong, apparently everyone follows builds and if you don't you'll just die and get rekt.

I tried a combination of Spear + Shield. Can't say it's working honestly, I keep dying, I'm slow, takes a lot of hits to take others down yet they just hit me once/twice and I drop.

I got a sidearm. A Nordic shortsword and I realized I'm better with it. For a number of reasons

-Speed
-Cut + Pierce damage
-Overall better feeling than I got with my "spartan" kind of gameplay

So can someone please, please post a build for me to go with? One handed sword/axe/mace and a shield. For now. Until I get the hang of the game, then I'll start with manual blocking.

I'm level 26 now and I will gladly respec for a build that is convincing. Also preferrably I don't want to wear extremely light armor. I like the medium in this case. And prefer to keep it. Any suggestion to said build, or tips are very very welcome.

And if possible please be quick with the replies, I've got nothing else to play. I'm also hooked.
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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2014, 02:46:00 pm »
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Hoplites are not a satisfying class in Warband/crpg because of the animations, they look messed up and you're hits wont connect so well unless you abuse the mechanics/animations.

24/15 (24 Strength, 15 Agility) at level 30 is a slow hard-hitting shielder. 5 shield skill is all you need with a strong shield and the 8 Powerstrike will serve you well. Always maximise Powerstrike and shield and athletics skills if you can.

Faster variations:

21/18

18/21

15/24

Basically in increments of 3, if you have a pierce-type weapon (a pick) you'll want nice agility to get a speed bonus and Str won't matter so much. Always be sure to have enough Str for your gear though.

What is your current build?

To me the 21/18 sounds quite perfect. Sadly, I didn't really follow a particular build now. I used my own brain/logic whatever, to figure out what would help me with a hoplite.

So currently at 26 it's 15/17 and I belive I screwed up regarding the rest of the build. I thought I'd use archery aswell with this build so I ended up investing in it. Wasting my points. And so now I regret everything. So I suppose the best idea would be to restart. As I'm not enjoying the game like this at all.

Thanks for the fast reply. I'll be level 22 now, not bad. And I'll start speccing 21/18. Is there any particular armour you recommend? Or something like that? Many thanks.

Edit: What about Ironflesh? Weapon skills?
« Last Edit: April 10, 2014, 02:49:27 pm by Veniathan »
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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2014, 02:58:49 pm »
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No worries lol, my first build had 10 Power Throw and no WPF in throwing, so i'd wasted 10 skills xD

Max out Weapon Master too if you can, put the rest into Ironflesh, weapon master increases weapon speed (important) and a small increase to damage too. Ironflesh is obviously health, but that's most useful to heavy heavy armour builds with no shields, you'd benefit more from the extra speed to survive than 2-6 more health, especially as a shielder.

Medium armour would suit you well anything from Saracen Lamellar Cuirass, Mail Shirt with Fur, Byrnja - right up to Heavy Kuyak, is the armour range i'd suggest. They all give you enough protection to do what you want without killing your movement speed (or your gold supplies through upkeep). At some point as a dedicated shielder you will probably want something longer and harder-hitting than the short sword. Many prefer picks and blunt weapons (for knockdown), but i prefer swords/axes for cut and the stab on swords.

Yes, not a very friendly game to new players. But I'll get used to it. Many thanks to you, I'll start the build now and I have some 10k saved up + I will sell all the shitty spears I actually bought.

I would not use a shield but I have serious problem blocking no matter how much I try. I have first off, not so good eyes. Regardless of glasses or not, if I focus on something like that then I become tunnel visioned and get killed from the side. But I will give it a try in the future.

Also do you have any tips for shields maybe? Kite shields? Round ones? Wide or whatever? Should I just focus on how much hp it has? That's what I've been doing so far. I've been using a Huscarl Round Heavy shield or something like that from my clans armory. It works really well for tanking.

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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2014, 06:21:21 pm »
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Also do you have any tips for shields maybe? Kite shields? Round ones? Wide or whatever? Should I just focus on how much hp it has? That's what I've been doing so far. I've been using a Huscarl Round Heavy shield or something like that from my clans armory. It works really well for tanking.

As a general rule: heavier and slower shields favor a defensive playstyle, while lighter and faster ones let you attack a split second faster.

The most common shields are the 4 difficulty shields, specifically the Elite Cavalry shield.

The ECS has 100 speed which means you can lower it, take a swing, and cover up again really fast. Personally I can't stand that model, so I prefer the Knightly Heater Shield (basically the same thing stats-wise, but I think it looks much better).

Heavy Round Shield is another popular pick. It's basically a Diet Huscarl's Shield (Not quite as insanely tough, not quite as insanely slow).

With high Shield Skill, any shield you pick will stand up to a lot of abuse from sword/maces/arrows/spears. Find a shield that 'feels right' and go with it.

Keep in mind that axes (particularly the jumbo two hand/polearm variety) get a bonus to damage against shields, and will turn your beloved bulwark into kindling no matter what.

edit: more stuff

if I focus on something like that then I become tunnel visioned and get killed from the side. But I will give it a try in the future.

Remember to do the same thing to others, particularly in big group fights. It's hard to hit a player who knows that you're trying to kill him, and its easy to hit someone who is wailing away on one of your allies. Switch targets often, and get free shots on unsuspecting enemies (just make sure you're safe from your initial target, or you'll only succeed in making a human centipede of dead internet knights!)   

Weapons:

1h weapons are incredibly varied. It's impossible to prescribe the "best" weapon for your playstyle. You're going to have to experiment, and see what characteristics you love/hate in a weapon. Here are a few general observations.

Weapon reach:
Unlike with speed, a weapon's reach rating is NOT a case where the higher number is automatically better. Rather, "reach" makes weapons excel in certain situations, and fail in others.

Example: The steel pick only has 64 reach. This looks bad on paper, but is actually a strength. It's a canopener designed to kill fatguys in plate armor. Your low reach doesn't matter, because they're too slow to get away from you. As a bonus, closing to kissing distance makes it more difficult for them to swing their big 2hander. Hooray! Unfortunately, the weapon will be a liability if you're fighting speedy opponents.

Damage Types
Cut - High base damage, low armor penetration.
Pierce - Medium base damage, high armor penetration.
Blunt - Low base damage, high armor penetration, %chance to knock down.

Weapon types (very generally):
Axes - Cut damage, 3 attack directions, bonus against shields. Strongest against shielders and light armor.
Swords - Cut/pierce damage (thrust), 4 attack directions. Varied speed, range, and damage. "Jack of all trades."
Maces - Blunt damage, 3 attack directions. Slower, shorter. High armor penetration makes them good even with low powerstrike. Hilarious knockdowns.
Picks - Canopeners, as described above.

Hopefully this will give you an idea of what you're looking for in a weapon. As always, the golden rule of cRPG is "pick a weapon that feels fun to use." Every weapon is viable if you play to its strengths.



Welcome to cRPG though! It's a rough ride at first, but gets a lot better at level 30.

Cheers!
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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2014, 08:23:16 pm »
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Well to report back I've started the build and doing great so far. Better than with the Hoplite one I had at the start.

I got about 3 kills in 2 days with it. Horrible I know. But with this build I've already exceeded that in just a few hours. It's also fun. I'm doing a sword + mace + shield loadout because sometimes the knocking is fun
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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2014, 09:29:15 pm »
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Choose your playstyle first :

1h cav : 18(15)/21   medium shield, long and powerfull sword (+ big armor on feet, light helmet)

1h offensive : 21/18  fast shield (knightly+elite cav), axe, pierce or blunt weapon,  ( + medium or light armor, heavy helmet)

1h defensive : 24/18(15) heavy shield (Heavy round, huscarl, triangle, plate covered), fast sword, medium range (+ medium/heavy armor)
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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2014, 10:22:51 pm »
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Great stuff :D what shield you currently using?

As for manual blocking it's a steep learning curve, something your bog-standard archer or shielder never bothers to learn, but once you do a build that has no choice but to manual block you pick up the basics very fast but the really good players will still destroy you. Tbh i never really got past the basics lol, the majority of people never need to. Manual blocking, once you learn, is very satisfying, imo it's the real thing that makes Mount and Blade unique compared to other games like it, the directional attacking and blocking.

Are you Eu or Na?

Interesting. Currently I'm using a Kite Shield. That's it's only name. I have 3 in Shield (stats) and can't go any further for now probably until I upgrade my agility. That and I'm using a Nordic War Sword + Winged Mace. But these are just placeholders. I like them so far and might keep them but if I come across anything better I might change.

The issue is the upkeep. I don't want to have a negative economy. Anyone have a tip for this? I also don't know how it works. Sometimes I have to repair sometimes I don't.
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Many time i can see as people use this script where horse just standing on 2 feets and does "yhohohohoh".

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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2014, 10:26:05 pm »
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Those are solid weapons/shield to be using.

The upkeep is random, so you can't really predict it.  On the crpg webpage, on the inventory screen, it will show you the total cost of all your equipment.  As long as you are between 25k-35k you should make money in the long run or break even. 

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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2014, 10:34:19 pm »
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Those are solid weapons/shield to be using.

The upkeep is random, so you can't really predict it.  On the crpg webpage, on the inventory screen, it will show you the total cost of all your equipment.  As long as you are between 25k-35k you should make money in the long run or break even.

Total Upkeep? What is meant with this? As in .. If everything breaks, that's how much I pay?

Usually it seems that I pay somewhere from a range of 250 - 450 Gold when it repairs. And is the repair random? Sometimes I go with rounds where I am damaged greatly but don't have to pay. Is this .. Arbitrary or?

I belive they're solid weapons but it feels like I'm doing something wrong, I think the shield may be an issue but I'm not sure. Maybe it's the armor.

Druzhina Mail Shirt
Tagancha Helm With Mail
Mail Gloves
Rus Cavalry Boots

I got that set, I like the way it looks and behaves but it could be the reason why I'm letting through damage. Most importantly I'm afraid of buying expensive things because of the upkeep. Armor to be specific ..

Edit: I am on EU and don't play on NA unless EU is empty. Which is probably super rare
« Last Edit: April 10, 2014, 10:37:22 pm by Veniathan »
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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2014, 10:44:13 pm »
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Total Upkeep? What is meant with this? As in .. If everything breaks, that's how much I pay?

Usually it seems that I pay somewhere from a range of 250 - 450 Gold when it repairs. And is the repair random? Sometimes I go with rounds where I am damaged greatly but don't have to pay. Is this .. Arbitrary or?

I belive they're solid weapons but it feels like I'm doing something wrong, I think the shield may be an issue but I'm not sure. Maybe it's the armor.

Druzhina Mail Shirt
Tagancha Helm With Mail
Mail Gloves
Rus Cavalry Boots

I got that set, I like the way it looks and behaves but it could be the reason why I'm letting through damage. Most importantly I'm afraid of buying expensive things because of the upkeep. Armor to be specific ..

Edit: I am on EU and don't play on NA unless EU is empty. Which is probably super rare

Dont look at total upkeep, look at the total cost.  Try not to go over 35k if you want to make money.

Your armor seems good enough...but many players have high level builds and heirloomed (upgraded) armor, so  you will be at a slight disadvantage for a while.  Your armor is a bit on the light side, but that just means you can move faster.  1h/shield can effectively use body armor in the weight range of 9-22 I'd say.  Depends on how your build is.

Just get closer to lv 30 and you will do better.

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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2014, 11:11:19 pm »
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Dont look at total upkeep, look at the total cost.  Try not to go over 35k if you want to make money.

Your armor seems good enough...but many players have high level builds and heirloomed (upgraded) armor, so  you will be at a slight disadvantage for a while.  Your armor is a bit on the light side, but that just means you can move faster.  1h/shield can effectively use body armor in the weight range of 9-22 I'd say.  Depends on how your build is.

Just get closer to lv 30 and you will do better.

Very well, I will also sign up for the Templars and maybe get into a more organized clan. Thanks guys. I know this though.

Why total cost and not total upkeep?
I duel 1vs1 horse vs horse. Dude have nigga long lance that have 10 metres long or something.

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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2014, 11:15:57 pm »
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Very well, I will also sign up for the Templars and maybe get into a more organized clan. Thanks guys. I know this though.

Why total cost and not total upkeep?

You can look at total upkeep, but I'm not able to judge those numbers and how they will affect your gold in the long term.
I'm just saying 35k total cost and under will allow you to make money...not sure what that correlates to in terms of total upkeep.

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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2014, 11:19:10 pm »
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You can look at total upkeep, but I'm not able to judge those numbers and how they will affect your gold in the long term.
I'm just saying 35k total cost and under will allow you to make money...not sure what that correlates to in terms of total upkeep.
Hmm, interesting. You know I think the best thing is to keep an eye on it myself and see what difference it makes.

Currently I've got

22,979 Total Cost
1,605  Upkeep Cost

I guess it's not bad.

Edit: Most of the time my team actually sucks, and I have a negative income by a few gold every time.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2014, 12:49:50 am by Veniathan »
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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2014, 10:19:09 pm »
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Over a long period of time, you break even at around 50k (i cant rememeber the math exacly) total worth of gear.

So having below that is a sure way to gain money. At 22k you will make alot of money.

Typically i play with 30k-45k, this is good medium armor and expensive weapons.

Gear doesnt make you play better on its own, pick items that you like the look and feel of.

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Re: Build for 1h + shield??
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2014, 12:57:10 pm »
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First off, I thought this game would allow freedom of choice to try a bit of everything. And I was proven extremely wrong, apparently everyone follows builds and if you don't you'll just die and get rekt.
Builds exist because people usually level till 31 (so builds are designed for 30) and because you need 3 attributes to increase corresponding skill by 1, so unless your build is designed for a weapon with a requirement of some odd number like 7, you want to max out efficiency by choosing attribute stats which are dividable by 3.

As long as you have utility maximization in mind, you can design any build though. 6/33 war darts thrower is legit, just like 39/3 mauler, to list some extreme examples. Every build works as long as it works for you. Tindel is a fan of balanced builds like 21/18, for instance, while I prefer agi-heavy builds like 12/27. Our preferences also display in our KDs; agi-builds give me the best results and help me to reach my personal maximum. Of course, choosing your build restricts you in your weapon choice, or your weapons restrict you in your build flexibility, it works both ways, depending on your perspective.

Hoplite however is not unplayable. It is one of the hardest classes and definitely not for beginners, but you can do quite well once you learned how to be efficient as a hoplite. Using 15/21 in light armor with bamboo spear looks extremely weak (18.75p*(1+5*0.08)), but believe it or not, I get balanced KDs with it. I imagine 15/24 to be even better (for me). Hoplite especially with long weapons is not for duels, so stay close to your teammates and assist if you consider playing it again.
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